September 5 1999 EhBC Online Discussion

<BernieRoehl> Tonight's topic is "Playpartners, Submissives and Slavs --
How are they Different?"
<BernieRoehl> So, does anyone want to get the ball rolling? What do
each of us mean by a "playpartner", "submissive" or "slave"?
<lyxanna> playpartner
<lyxanna> = someone you play with occassionally but are not "dating or
<Swede_> well..i dont have much experience..but i dont think there is
too much difference
<`abi> well, I see them as different ways of relating, with differences
in the depth of commitment.
* katiias = submissive
<Swede_> it depends on the person..i mean i see some people call
themselves a sub and not a slave, and others call themselves a slave and
not a sub
<Swede_> but they both do the same
<lyxanna> submissive and slave are about the same
<BernieRoehl> So a playpartner is more casual, whereas submissive/slave
imply an ongoing relationship?
* vixen{KO} thinks that yes, they are all very individualistic...but
many see them as degrees of committment and degrees of seriousness of
<`abi> yes, and to me slave implies having given up a greater amount of
<katiias> um... i dont consider myself a *slave* but i do consider
myself both *a submissive* and *submissive*
<`lyxanna> i don't see a difference personally
<BernieRoehl> So would it be fair to sa that "slave" implies a much
deeper committment than "submissive"?
<Swede_> i think a slave is someone who wants to give more of themself
to their Owner/Master/Mistress
<`lyxanna> not at all Bernie
* katiias nods
<BernieRoehl> So you feel the words are interchangeable, lyxanna?
<`lyxanna> yes
<`lyxanna> just as Dom, or Master can be interchangeable
<abigaille> they aren't the same to me....but I think different people
define them differently
<Swede_> thast the whole thing
Be kind. Always if you have a choice be kind! Remember the poor, the
sick, the lonely,and those in need. The greatest creative pwer you have
on earth whether u r man, women or child is to be kind. Kindness is a
human miracle unique to only mankind" 
<Swede_> everyone has different definitions
<BernieRoehl> I think it's true that different people have different
* wiggletoes wiggles her toes...
* BernieRoehl nods at Swede
<abigaille> which means that as always...communicating exactly what it
is that you mean is the important thing
<wiggletoes> kick da old me please..even nickserv wont ghost it
<BernieRoehl> Exactly, abi -- it's very important that the two people
are on the same wavelength.
<BernieRoehl> What about "playpartner"? Would most people say it refers
to something more casual?
<`lyxanna> i think the problem is not between two people in a
relationship, but with others in the community
<Swede_> yes..someone you play with :)
<katiias> well...not necessarily Bernie
<`lyxanna> not really Bernie, i think part of that problem again is in
the community
<`lyxanna> i mean orriginally the topic was bottoms and subs and slaves
* vixen{KO} is submissively Kilted_One's slave and his 24/7
<`lyxanna> does that mean bottoms are more casual?....more not into
* vixen{KO} thinks of a bottom as being someone not committed or
collared to anyone and have the options of various playpartners.
<BernieRoehl> Yes -- the first draft of the topic was actually
"Playpartners, Bottoms, Subs and Slaves -- How are they different?" but
it was too long. :-)
* lil^bear^ giggles...
<BernieRoehl> Also some people pointed out that top/bottom vs Dom/sub
is really a different topic
<abigaille> they may be committed lyxanna..but not committed to the
level of submission outside of a scene that a submissive is...and a
submissive less so than a slave
<LrdThomas> slave, submissive, playpartner, matters
not...they are all words for "partner of equality in a power exchange
relationship"...the degree of involvement personalized to each
<`lyxanna> so abi, a bottom is less submissive than a submissive?
* Kilted_One` agrees with abigaille
* katiias grins at all da bases covered gal!
* vixen{KO} looks over LrdThomas's shoulder to find out which book that
came from...
<vixen{KO}> ;)
<abigaille> outside of a scene...yes, lyxanna...within a scene the
bottom or play partner might be quite submissive
* vixen{KO} ^5's katiias
<`lyxanna> ok, now i am confused
<`lyxanna> are we saying a slave is someone in a TPE
<`lyxanna> ?
<katiias> each person defines in their own way... each person has own
degree of commitment *to play, to relationship, to whatever*... prolly
cannot make broad generalization
<`lyxanna> and a sub is in a committed relationship, but not all the
<BernieRoehl> Some people (not all) consider tops and bottoms to be
more focussed on the physical sensations of play,
* Kilted_One` thinks you can have a slave relationship w/o a TPE
<BernieRoehl> while Doms and subs focus more on the power exchange.
<LrdThomas> vixen, it came from the book of experience. :)
* katiias sees it all as more a defining of the person's inherent nature
<`lyxanna> more like a Sadist and masacist?
<vixen{KO}> true, Bernie
* lil^bear^ brushes her teeth..listens
<katiias> and that nature can change... with circumstances..and with
time.. and experience.
<BernieRoehl> Yes, lyx -- top == Sadist and bottom == masochist
(at least many people use them that way)
<`lyxanna> by saying that Bernie, you are giving more "credence" to
submissives and less to bottoms
<BernieRoehl> Or more generally, top == "giving" partner in some
physical activity, bottom == "receiving" partner
<vixen{KO}> agreed katiias....we are all nothing if not flexible in
this lifestyle...
<BernieRoehl> I wouldn't say that, lyx.
<abigaille> as an example ....who I am doesn't change...the level of
submission with which I relate to others changes greatly from person to
* `lyxanna needs to listen for a bit
<katiias> mmm
* katiias nods to vixen ;-)
<BernieRoehl> It's just a different focus... on the physical vs the
power exchange. They're both equally valid.
<abigaille> or in LrdThomas' terminology...the power which I exchange is
what changes...not me
<Kilted_One`> if we relate our life style to vannilla we would
have......bottom/play partner=== first date casual
dating......submissive=== going steady.....
slave......marrage/co-habitating relationship
* katiias looks at KO...mmm
<`lyxanna> but can't someone be ALL those things
<vixen{KO}> true, matter what someone calls me....each
relationship from mere aquaintance to dear friends are in
the vanilla world.
* katiias <~~married 10 yrs to Master... not a *slave*...but a
submissive, yes... *s*
<`lyxanna> even in a "commited relationship"?
* BernieRoehl thinks about KO's analogy, and nods
<abigaille> except KO...that that description suggests a
progression...where there is no need to necessarily "progress"
<`lyxanna> and that the ultimate goal is to "become" a slave
<katiias> very good point abi
<vixen{KO}> unless one wishes it so...
<Kilted_One`> ohh that is true abigaille was only giving
"escalation" not progression per se
<BernieRoehl> I think the way I would approach it personally is to
listen to what people describe themselves as, and then look at their
<katiias> some may find submissive as the ultimate... rather than slave
<`lyxanna> but what does a relationship have to do with a submissive
<`lyxanna> i am a submissive....the end
<BernieRoehl> For example, if someone introduces me to their
"playpartner", I would take it as something fairly casual.
<`lyxanna> if i am in a relationship, i am a practicing submissive
<abigaille> a relationship is the place that you express your submission
<BernieRoehl> If they introduce me to their "slave", that seems to
carry more weight.
<`lyxanna> no abi
<`lyxanna> i can express my submission anytime
<abigaille> that's true lyxanna, you can...but you asked what a
relationship had to do with a submissive...that's what it has to do with
<katiias> you *can* express your submission in a committed
relationship... u dont necessarily have to tho... to be submissive
<katiias> incredible amount of trust in D/s relationships... sometimes
trust isnt there.. cannot express the submission in that case...
<Kilted_One> and different levels of trust too katiias
<`lyxanna> i am trying to say, it doesn't matter what kind of
relationship i have, i am still a submissive, even if i play casually, i
am a submissive, even if some are in a commited relationship, they can
still be bottoms
<vixen{KO}> hmmm....but can express the submission in a
casual negotiated scene with a playpartner...
<lil^bear^> i need to disconnect for a few..back in a minuet
Be kind. Always if you have a choice be kind! Remember the poor, the
sick, the lonely,and those in need. The greatest creative pwer you have
on earth whether u r man, women or child is to be kind. Kindness is a
human miracle unique to only mankind" 
<katiias> yes they can, vixen... ... and yes there certainly are, KO!
<`lyxanna> by equating relationships and levels of submission, there is
a misunderstanding and level of who is better thank who
<katiias> not better than, lyx... nooooo
* katiias wud never think that at all!
<vixen{KO}> to some, yes lyx....but not to everyone...
<`lyxanna> ok
<BernieRoehl> In my mind, there should be comparisons between people.
The terms are more useful within the context of a relationship, to
define what stage it's at.
* vixen{KO} thinks it's not a "better than" but a matter of taking their
submission more seriously...i mean other taking it more serious....ah
heck...this is cornfuzin
* LrdThomas chuckles..... a submissive by definitioni s one who has
exchanged power, <to whatever degree agrred upon> Ergo, if a "sub" is
not in a relationship, she is not a submissive.... just a person of
submissive needs. :)
<abigaille> no lyx...I don't think that levels of submission equate to
worth....just to different ways of relating
<Kilted_One> again I will try and relate vannilla to out lifestyle
and say....that we can meet a person on the first date and be in
love.....but we couldnt say that we were married...... still in love
* BernieRoehl agrees with LrdThomas
<BernieRoehl> Someone can be submissive (adjective) without being "a
submissive" (noun).
<`lyxanna> exchanged power when LT?
<`lyxanna> in the last year?
<`lyxanna> in the last week?
* vixen{KO} thinks all subs/slaves are in need....ANY time...
<abigaille> depends on whether you are using submissive as a noun or an
adjective LrdThomas....
* katiias chuckles
* katiias sits in the needy corner w/vixen.. ;-)
* abigaille smiles at vixen...that's why they call us greedy ;)
* BernieRoehl smiles
<`lyxanna> and Bernie, with that, someone can be "a submissive" without
being able to "submit" (verb)
<BernieRoehl> Can you expand on that, lyxanna?
* LrdThomas just accidently erased the screen and lost the comments.
<katiias> accidently on purpose?
<`lyxanna> ok...i am a submissive, no matter what, that is who and what
i am
<vixen{KO}> agreed, sis
<Kilted_One> * LrdThomas chuckles..... a submissive by definitioni s
one who has exchanged power, <to whatever degree agrred upon> Ergo, if a
"sub" is not in a relationship, she is not a submissive.... just a
person of submissive needs. :)
<`lyxanna> i am not in a relationship, hell, i ain't even playing with
anyone casually
* Kilted_One found it for ya LT ;)
<LrdThomas> gracias amigo. :)
* katiias thinks lyx can be *a submissive* without a relationship
* Kilted_One checks his ass for grass clippings
<`lyxanna> that doesn't make me any less of "a submissive" than someone
that has the opportunity or luck to be in a relationship
<JullieCD> that's too bad `lyxanna
<LrdThomas> ok
<`lyxanna> my needs don't change, wheather i am in a relationship or not
* vixen{KO} reminds her naive but cute-as-a-button Master that word
wasn't "grassy ass"
<BernieRoehl> So the word "submissive" means (slightly) different
things to different people.
<Kilted_One> very true lyx
* katiias chuckles softly to herself...
error: Connection reset by peer" 
<abigaille> the bricklayer is still a bricklayer even if he's unemployed
<`lyxanna> right abigaille
<BernieRoehl> What about "playpartner"? Do most people use it to refer
to a casual relationship?
"Quit: Leaving" 
* katiias shrugs
<`lyxanna> oh please Bernie
<`lyxanna> isn't alecia your playpartner?
<abigaille> I use it to refer to a more casual relationship...yes
<`lyxanna> and KO, isn't vixen Your playpartner?
<katiias> mm
<Kilted_One> I would not call vixen mine lyx
<BernieRoehl> I guess what I'm wondering is whether "playpartner" is a
generic term for any relationship involving play...?
<abigaille> but it doesn't work the other way around lyx
* katiias sees where lyx is headed here..
<`lyxanna> in what way abi?
<abigaille> a playpartner may not be Master,
<Kilted_One> I call her my slave....she wears mu collar
<`lyxanna> but yoy play with her
<`lyxanna> yoy= you
<`lyxanna> and she is your partner
<katiias> as in vanilla world... wife is friend, lover, best friend...
ergo.. playpartner/submissive/slave can be all one person
<Kilted_One> I also live with her 24/7
<abigaille> someone that I might "play with" may not be my Master
<`lyxanna> thank you katiias
* katiias nods
<`lyxanna> <katiias> as in vanilla world... wife is friend, lover, best
friend... ergo.. playpartner/submissive/slave can be all one person
<vixen{KO}> * vixen{KO} is submissively Kilted_One's slave and his 24/7
<abigaille> or in KO's ain't necessarily gonna see old age
with your casual date
<Kilted_One> that is true katiias but when asked I still see vixen
as my slave and intro her that way
<`lyxanna> but why not?
<abigaille> because, the level of commitment outside the play is
different lyx
<`lyxanna> to who
<`lyxanna> to those that are in a collared relationship?
<abigaille> between the play partners
<`lyxanna> or to those in the play
<`lyxanna> how do you know?
<abigaille> because I've been there
<BernieR> Sorry, all -- got disconnected.
<`lyxanna> ok, so in YOUR case, that is the way you see casual play
<katiias> twin Bernies
* BernieR smiles
<KICKED> vixen{KO} ( has KICKED
<katiias> *cute*
<abigaille> if it's something that is more intense than play...then the
relationship has moved to a different place
<vixen{KO}> oops...
* vixen{KO} didn't mean that in a Dommely way, Sir...
* vixen{KO} blushes
<`lyxanna> to some, there is a commitment in casual play
<abigaille> where play may still be part of it...but the relationship is
no longer just casual play
<`lyxanna> but to define that for others.....that is where all the bs
comes from
<`lyxanna> sometimes there are very committed playpartners, where
marriage is involved, or when it is just understood
* abigaille lyx...I think the bs comes when people aren't
happy with their own definitions
<BernieR> I think people ultimately have to find their own definitions,
and agree on them. The trick is to make sure they're both talking about
the same thing(s).
<vixen{KO}> agreed Bernie...
<Kilted_One> its not just defining it for others lyx it is also to
define it for yourself so that others can understand the level of
commitment that we have in our relationship too
<LrdThomas> bingo Bernie. :)
* Angel`Fox smiles and listens
<katiias> bottom line prolly is we all define things differently... and
shud not be judging others by a *title* bestowed
* Kilted_One checks his bingo card and camplains cause he didnt here any
numbers being called
<`lyxanna> part of what has been said tonight, is that others see "me"
as not being "a submissive" because i am not in a relationship
<abigaille> we could throw some other titles into the insult to some, a compliment to others
<katiias> ...or not the case may be
<katiias> mm...
<`lyxanna> i know what and where i am in my life
* Kilted_One disagrees with that lyx.....I see you as a submissive
because YOU say you are
<`lyxanna> but others have "decided" that i do not fit into their little
cubbie holes
<BernieRoehl> I think it's useful to separate being "a submissive" from
being "<someone's> submissive".
* vixen{KO} wears slut proudly most days!!!
<katiias> lol
<abigaille> indeed lyxanna...the important thing is you define yourself,
not how others define you
<BernieRoehl> Certainly people have the right to identify themselves as
they choose. Of course, since there are no set definitions, it may lead
to confusion.
* `forbidden agrees
<`lyxanna> then who cares....there is no difference between playpartner,
submissive, and slave
<LrdThomas> lyxanna... based on the fact you are noty in a relationship,
yes that is how i would see you. But i would also see you as a lady of
submissive needs, that a master would be wise to explore, for both yours
and his happiness.
<abigaille> exactly the opposite lyxanna...there are many differences
<BernieRoehl> For you, that may well be true lyx. Others may see them
as being quite different.
<abigaille> we may not all agree on what those differences are...but we
can certainly all agree that there are different ways of being in a D/s
* `lyxanna deeply inhales and tries to keep calm
<`lyxanna> and can we also agree, that none is "better" than another?
<BernieRoehl> I find the terminology also varies a bit by region.
<katiias> yes
<`lyxanna> as long as they are happy?
<LrdThomas> yes
<katiias> region?
<Kilted_One> everyone is entitled to their opinion however if the
majority of ppl see things differently then the person who is differnt
will have a lot of explaining to do me thinks
<BernieRoehl> Yes, I can agree with that lyx.
<`lyxanna> and hence frustration KO
<BernieRoehl> Yes -- on the west coast, people I've met seem to use the
words "submissive", "slave" and "bottom" as synonyms, whereas up here we
tend to distinguish between them.
<katiias> west coast canada or u.s.?
<katiias> bc or alberta?
<BernieRoehl> San Francisco.
<katiias> california or oregon?
<katiias> oh
<katiias> well
<katiias> SF is a WORLD unto itself, Bernie
<abigaille> yes Bernie..and I've been doing some reading lately about
old guard leather traditions...the definitions there are much more rigid
than mainstream D/s culture
* katiias grins
<BernieRoehl> Of course, that was at a party where several submissives
I'd never met before were calling me "Master", which kind of caught me
off-guard! :-)
<`lyxanna> LT, by your deffinition of things, does that mean my
submissive needs evaporate when i have a "Master"?
<abigaille> lol..not if you find a good one lyx!
<BernieRoehl> Yes, abi -- that's certainly true. But the definitions
have shifted and changed over the years.
* vixen{KO} agrees Bernie....when in Alberta, we jumbled them together
<`lyxanna> and why do we not have the same discussion about the
difference in "Tops, Dom/mes, and Masters/Mistresses
* LrdThomas laffs... i would expect your master would be better to
answer that question, than i lyxanna. <g>
<BernieRoehl> Maybe that's next week, lyx? :-)
<`lyxanna> lol
<BernieRoehl> Seriously, though -- that's a good point.
<`lyxanna> yeah
* BernieRoehl tries hard to make the topic titles fit on one line
<`lyxanna> there never seems to be the "level" disagreement on those
<Kilted_One> it it creates confusion having different understandings
of the words what can we do do make them mean the same to everyone??
<katiias> T,D,M/M
<katiias> werks fer me
<`lyxanna> those are just accepted terms for anything
<`lyxanna> lets see KO.....stop using them?
<abigaille> we could have a really, really fun discussion and talk about
what makes a "real" Dom/me :)
<`lyxanna> Master abi, Master
<Angel`Fox> Oh gawd,
<BernieRoehl> That's a good question, KO. Finding universal definitions
is hard.
<`lyxanna> since that would be the ultimate goal
<Kilted_One> if we stop using them lyx how then do we decribe our
relationship/leve of commitment??
<abigaille> that too :)
<BernieRoehl> I think there is some value in using different words for
different things.
<`lyxanna> why do we need to?
<BernieRoehl> For clarity, mostly.
<katiias> terminology and customs change with time... this too shall
pass... something new will come along...or something old will be
resurrected... *s*
<`lyxanna> why do we have to "justify" our relationships to others
<abigaille> because defining ourselves to ourselves is part of how we
understand who we are...and part of the way we hope that others will
<`lyxanna> since we are supposed to be comfortable with who and what we
<BernieRoehl> I don't think it's so much to others, lyx. More to each
other (i.e. the people in the relationship).
<abigaille> being comfortable does not negate the value of having words
to express who we are
<MrEssex`> I'd suggest describing your relationship to the other person
in multiple words.
<`lyxanna> then why do we need to describe our relationships?
<abigaille> for the same reason
<Kilted_One> I dont think its as much justify as to enlighten
ppl....i.e vixen wears my collar on line to let ppl know that she is
already spoken for/committed in a relationship
<`lyxanna> <Kilted_One> if we stop using them lyx how then do we decribe
our relationship/leve of commitment??
* Angel`Fox nods to KO
<Kilted_One> my personal intro says the say lyx
<abigaille> that's a good parallel KO...because she would be no less
committed without the collar....but it helps to express what her
relationship is
* Kilted_One nods to abigaille
<`lyxanna> but a collar doesn't need to represent a slave
<Kilted_One> but it does
<`lyxanna> just an asside, a collar is to show others or to show
<abigaille> but it is an accepted representation of the relationship KO
<abigaille> KO = lyx
<`lyxanna> TO YOU KO
<`lyxanna> not to everyone
<abigaille> to lots of people lyx...what do you think of when you see a
<`lyxanna> to A relationship abi, not nescessarily to all
<TheWolfe> submissive who has a Master
<Kilted_One> lyx it is a pride thing for me....but it is not to show
me on line....I know r/l she is my slave
<Angel`Fox> Well for Me when I see a collar I think "velcro collar"
unless of course I know the people,..
<`lyxanna> that that someone is in a happy relationship with someone
else, that they are friend, confidant, slave, sub, and partner
* Kilted_One chuckles at AF
<BernieRoehl> I think pretty much everyone in the scene understands the
significance of a collar.
* vixen{KO} yanks on her KOlar to see if it makes the velcro sound...
<`lyxanna> yes Bernie, but it doesn't mean slave
<abigaille> it doesn't vixen...I've seen the keys
* Kilted_One only makes Steel one lass
<`lyxanna> they don't equal the same thing
* Angel`Fox chuckles
<`lyxanna> they can
<`lyxanna> but don't have to
<Angel`Fox> I am sure yours does not vix :o)
<abigaille> terminology is one of the things that defines a
community...and we are a community
* `forbidden is a slave without a Master....... imagine that
<Kilted_One> so what makes you differnt from a submissive w/o a
Master forbidden??
<abigaille> when bikes get together...everyone knows what a hog is
...when D/s people get together, there is a common understanding of what
a collar is
<`lyxanna> by LT's definition, she is neither
<`lyxanna> it is a symbol of a relationship
<PanheadAL> but abi what is a HOG??????
<PanheadAL> Laughs Out Loud
* katiias chuckles.. PAL woke up
<BernieRoehl> So, as we start to wind down...
<`lyxanna> yes abi, but not any spacific kind of a relationship
* `lyxanna laughs
<Angel`Fox> so did you discuse the definition of slave/subs yet?
<`lyxanna> winding down?
<`forbidden> *to me* the difference is that i wish to surrender total
control to 'one'
<`forbidden> other's definitions of me matter not lyx
<abigaille> dunno Al...I'm not a biker, but I do know what a collar
<`lyxanna> yes Anglefox
<BernieRoehl> Getting slowly closer to 10 pm, lyx.
<Angel`Fox> dang I missed it
<`lyxanna> lol
<`lyxanna> i know Bernie
<PanheadAL> most ppl do abi
<abigaille> it's okay AngelFox...we pretty much decided that you can
define it any way you want and someone will disagree :)
<vixen{KO}> true abi
* Angel`Fox chuckles
<vixen{KO}> as in most things to do with this lifestyle...
<`lyxanna> yes abi, very true
<vixen{KO}> there's always someone else out there with a different
<`lyxanna> including what is sane
<Angel`Fox> Well either way,.we know who we are and what makes us
happy,....No need to put a term on it,....
<`lyxanna> but such is life vixen
<TheWolfe> not Me lyx
* katiias looks at vixen.... wonderin when she's gonna git outta dat
Master's chair *smirk*
<`forbidden> i just feel that no matter how anyone defines anything we
in this lifestyle should be open minded
<vixen{KO}> true lyx
<BernieRoehl> Yes, everyone has different opinions. And it's clear that
people in a relationship need to say clearly what that relationship
is... both to each other, and to others where it's appropriate.
<Kilted_One> hear hear Bernie
* vixen{KO} jumps up and frownz at katiias
<`lyxanna> and those not in a relationship Bernie?
<BernieRoehl> As to the specific words we use... it would be nice to
have some universal definitions, but it's clear that we're not quite
there yet.
* katiias giggles
<BernieRoehl> People not in a relationship are free to describe
themselves as they choose, lyx.
<BernieRoehl> Well, by computer clock tells me we have about 2 minute
left. Anyone have any last-minute thoughts?
<`lyxanna> so can we instead say that it is clear that people in a this
lifestyle need to say clearly what hat relationship is... both to each
other, and to others where it's appropriate
<LrdThomas> here is my deifinitions, tho, think they really are of no
purpose, cept to pidgeonhole nonsesncially... bottom=a person,
extending limited, time constrained power, based on physical play....
submissive, no time constraint, invloving an exchange of power usually
including a degree of emotional committment..... slave, a partner with
the right to ask for release, and communicate. Having said all that,
each should just find their own niche.
<Kilted_One> they must however describe it in a manner that others
will understand if they are actively persuing a partner
<Angel`Fox> eeeeeek
<Angel`Fox> holy shit
<Angel`Fox> oops
<Angel`Fox> wb
<katiias> lol
<katiias> and on that note...
<BernieRoehl> Okay, it's 10 pm. The formal part of our discussion is
<BernieRoehl> Thanks to everyone who participated!
<LrdThomas> thanjks Bernie.
<abigaille> so we can take off our ties now
<vixen{KO}> and thank you Bernie...another evening went zipping by.
* Kilted_One throws a safety belt AF's way fur the next split
<BernieRoehl> And your dresses too, abi, if you're so inclined! :-)
<Kilted_One> ty Bernie well opped
<BernieRoehl> Thanks, vixen. :-)
<BernieRoehl> Thanks, KO.
<Angel`Fox> hehe
<abigaille> well, okay...maybe take off the dresses and leave on the
ties :)
<Angel`Fox> Thank's hun
<`lyxanna> well, goodnight all
* vixen{KO} anticipates hearing the velcro now on your dress abi....LOL
<BernieRoehl> Say, if anyone logged tonight's chat, can you get in
touch with me? I lost part of it when my connection dropped. Thanks...
<PanheadAL> hey AF ltns
<Angel`Fox> No we need the ties to uhm tie lol
<Angel`Fox> Al!!!!!!! Hey hun :o)
<Kilted_One> I have it all Bernie....just have to extract it is all
<BernieRoehl> Thanks, KO!
Session Close: Sun Sep 05 22:05:45 1999