April 21, 2002 EhBC Online Discussion

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<BernieRoehl> Welcome to or regular Sunday night discussion. Please refrain from sending "hi" and "bye" messages until after 10 pm. Also note that the discussion is being logged. If you wish to remain anonymous, you should change your nick. We recommend using twisted.ma.us.dal.net as your server, to minimize lag. Tonight's discussion is "Opening Night -- Roleplaying and BDSM". The moderator is BernieRoehl. Enjoy the discussion!
<BernieRoehl> So... roleplaying
<janizz> i like roleplaying!
* BernieRoehl smiles
<Omy_> I always play the Dom Bro :)
<BernieRoehl> The Safer SM group ran a workshop on it recently, and it was quite good
<oasis{Omy}> am the delicate flower
* mist{LW} coughs
<oasis{Omy}> hm rag weed mist..lol
<janizz> im usualy the patient, the student, the nun or the hitchhiker
<BernieRoehl> Has anyone here experimented with roleplaying?
<Argonaught> in chat all Men are 6'4" and all women are nubile and 21
<LORDWOLF> slap on the back pet i chokeing on 5that one
<janizz> puts up hand..yes Sir
<janizz> i have..see above
<Omy_> I've done the strict school master thing
* mist{LW} slaps her Master hard on the back, not wanting Him to choke
<oasis{Omy}> in the past I have experimented quite a bit with role play... its rather cool when you get into the parts
<BernieRoehl> That's quite a variety of roles, janizz
<Omy_> I'd like to try a rape scene and watch a interogation scene
<mist{LW}> i like the school girl being punished role
<janizz> yeah...well, He was a kinky Guy...*l*
* mist{LW} smiles
<dalian> i've played the wood nymph and serving wench
<mist{LW}> something about that short skirt and knee socks
<janizz> i wanted to wear a nuns outfit to DAL but was told it would be over the top so to speak
<mist{LW}> serving wench, thats not play for me :}
<LORDWOLF> HELLO my sword friend Trainer11
<Trainer11> What is serving wench if not play mist ?
<dalian> lol
<Argonaught> I think that that would be fun janizz
<Trainer11> Hello LordWolf
<oasis{Omy}> does an interesting naughty school girl.. personal fav
<janizz> Argonaught, so did i...but i listened to others that had attended DAL before
* cara{BOID} waves to those entering
<Omy_> Well DA has shown up as a priest janizz...try dropping him a note
<janizz> ahhhh.. thank You Omy....
<Trainer11> What is the discussion topic for tonight ???
<Omy_> How much scripting did you do before you played people?
<BernieRoehl> Roleplaying, Trainer11
<mist{LW}> DA has also been a pool boi tho Omy_ Sir
<LORDWOLF> i like to show up dress a mucho type cop
<janizz> for me, it depended on the scene...what was going to be involved
<janizz> sometimes..scenes like Daddy and daughter, can play head games afterwards..ya know
<Trainer11> Hey....I like roleplaying...my fav is where I am a college professor and my slave is a retail worker.....LOL
<ladywo1f> <= likes playing what she is....and of course the classicws
<janizz> or...the nun thing...it it got into serious religious things
* mist{LW} was just reminded of a cool scene, being abducted, would love to have that happen
<oasis{Omy}> need to find something of interest in a charecter.. map them out in your mind and become them...
<LORDWOLF> lo Trainer11
* mist{LW} chuckles as she reads Trainer11's comment
<janizz> the hitchiker one took a lot of talking before an afterwards..cause it included a rape scene
<fiestyone> i have never done roleplaying.....but would like to i think
<BernieRoehl> One of the topics that came up at the workshop was how elaborate to get with costumes, props, and so on.
<fiestyone> unless you consider playing vanilla for years on end
<oasis{Omy}> how would a couple map out a role play scene. so it gets best affect
<justagrrl> same with me.....i never have either
<ladywo1f> laffs...i nearly fainted when Jake showed up to LANO with a priests collar on....
<janizz> and what did they say Bernie
<LORDWOLF> wants to interrorgate mist{LW} strip and search
<mist{LW}> so whats stopping You Master :}
<LORDWOLF> lost my flashlight and nitestick
<Trainer11> Trainer's fav is where I am the juggler at Cirque Sole, and my slave is the captain of the Hindenberg Dirigible....dont ask me why
<BernieRoehl> The woman teaching it talked about how to assemble costume pieces on a budget
* oasis{Omy} listens
<fiestyone> that is a good point
<BernieRoehl> For people here who have roleplayed, how elaborate have you gone with costuming?
<fiestyone> bdsm can be costly in that area
<janizz> that counts Bernie..i have rented a nuns outfit from a costume place...75.00
<fiestyone> yeow!
* mist{LW} has a complete school girl look, right down to pigtails
<Omy_> Well I think the costume is part of the play...probably why school girl scenes are popular cause they are relatively inexpensive to do
<janizz> one time there were Sseveral of us doing a 'school' thing..they set up rooms like classrooms and had us do math and english..etc...it was elaborate
<mist{LW}> went to goodwill for skirt and blouse
<Trainer11> I have an idea...we should have a role play party...and the gimick is that for 1 hour beore the party we al go to Value Village and shop with a maximum of $10
<ladywo1f> laffs....that would be interesting
<fiestyone> nice idea Trainer11
<janizz> Bernie..hav eyou done any roleplaying?
<BernieRoehl> Good idea, Trainer11
<BernieRoehl> Yes, lots. My theatre background comes in handy sometimes. :-)
<cara{BOID}> you'd be surpised the kind of stuff you could find at value village
<janizz> and what do you enjoy?
<mist{LW}> that would be a challange
* mist{LW} thinks that the larger sized would be at disadvantage tho
<fiestyone> yes....i agree mist
<janizz> i'll be the mall bus drive..even have the proper chauferrs cap for it..*l*
<Trainer11> I found a bondage belt at Value Villlage...6 'D' rings, studs, black leather
<fiestyone> as i have shopped there
<oasis{Omy}> its more than costumes
<LORDWOLF> that would be a challege for my pet only 10.00 gee mind bogging
<BernieRoehl> I tend to enjoy the more serious scenarios, though the more light-hearted scenes we did at the workshop were fun too
<fiestyone> may i ask a seemingly dumb question??
<janizz> i dont know what more serious scenarios means Sir, can you explain
<BernieRoehl> Go ahead, fiestyone
<oasis{Omy}> allowing yourself to suspend reality become someone else in a different circiumstance.. like reinacting a dream
<fiestyone> do Doms and subs....ever switch rolls as part of role play
<LORDWOLF> lol yes
<fiestyone> make that roles
<Omy_> I suppose they could fiestyone if that what they agreed to
<BernieRoehl> Serious as opposed to tongue-in-cheek, janizz. For example, an interrogate scene can be very serious and intense, whereas a schoolgirl fantasy is usually more light and fun
<mist{LW}> yes fiestyone, know of others who do
<BernieRoehl> I imagine so, fiestyone
* mist{LW} looks at BernieRoehl
<mist{LW}> hmmm, not the one i was in :p
<janizz> alright, i understand Bernie..thanks
<LORDWOLF> i want be the bouncer
* mist{LW} didnt sit for long
<mist{LW}> and couldnt after for a long time lol
<janizz> i guess that is part of it...how serious you are into the play....
<fiestyone> another dumb question....if i may?
<janizz> fiestyone..just ask the questions..dont ask for permission
<fiestyone> does the need to concentrate...on the role....inhibit ones ablility to reach sub space??
<Omy_> good question fiestyone
<BernieRoehl> No such thing as a dumb question here, fiestyone -- go ahead
<janizz> depending on the role...you can be in subspace
<BernieRoehl> That ties in with the "how serious" question. If things are really working, the concentration on the role leads the sub into subspace
<mist{LW}> it depends, on if the Dom wants you to reach subspace :}
<janizz> i mean..being spanked by by a principal... would put you there wouldnt it
<Trufriend> fiestyone...roleplay can enhance a subspace, not inhibit it
<fiestyone> oh yes
<fiestyone> i think you are correct on that Trufriend
<janizz> ...im thinking..abotu the interogation one..if you are really scared..thats a head space in itself
<Argonaught> subspace is achieved when a Dominant allows it
<fiestyone> now that i think about it
<fiestyone> if one is truly buying into the role.....then it would be seemingly easier
<janizz> a rape scene..can tak you over the edge
<Trainer11> I have fantasized about the role of pony trainer...but that takes a lot of free space
<BernieRoehl> Interrogation scenes are a good example -- they can be extremelly intense, and a submissive who's drawn to that fantasy will often drop quickly and deeply
<Trufriend> i disagree Argonaught, subspace is achieved when a submissive achieves a certain level of intoxication to any given activity with a Dominant or even with another submissive...there are many different levels of subspace
<mist{LW}> You have a basement free .... well sort of lol
* Trainer11 smiles at mist
<fiestyone> i have to agree with you on that Trufriend
<oasis{Omy}> that kind of role play you need be careful.. one never knows what doors may unwittingly be opened
<janizz> what else was said at the SM discussion Bernie
<Trufriend> and I feel a Dominant would be rather arrogant to think they are the sole reason for their submissive's reactions or state of mind
<fiestyone> were there any roles that were mentioned.....as being dangerous to ones mental health to engage in??
<BernieRoehl> A large part of the workshop was hands-on, as opposed to lecture -- basically we each got to do a couple of light scenes
<janizz> i think fiestyone..it depends on the communication between the players
<fiestyone> i see....
<fiestyone> this is not something i know much about.....
<janizz> the Daddy girl scene was very hard for me ....afterwards
<oasis{Omy}> how does one get past that akward silly feeling .. so they can get into the role
<LORDWOLF> 3 beers
<fiestyone> lol
<Trainer11> LOL..ROFL
<fiestyone> i think it is easier for some than others probably
<Argonaught> scening and beer dont mix (in my humble opinion)
<BernieRoehl> Good question, oasis{Omy}
<Captain_suzq> trust ... oasis{Omy}
<Trufriend> I think an element of surprise, though some advance planning would be required, surprise would downplay the sillyness factor
* mist{LW} agrees, for some, like me it would be fairly easy, for Master next to impossible i think
<Omy_> I think the people involved have to have a certain amount of creativity to make a roleplay work
* syren[A] slips into the lil girl mode very easily much to Master's dismay
<`abi> I think oasis, that it depends on how closely you can relate to the 'character' you're playing ... if it is an expression of part of yourself, then it's easier to slip into the role
<fiestyone> yes...and imagination as well Omy
<BernieRoehl> The element of surprise can help. It can also help if you start off with a fairly simple fantasy that doesn't involve a lot of elaborate costumes.
* Argonaught has a thing about being labled a peodephile
* syren[A] knows that He is not though
<Kilted_One> to answer oasis{Omy}, I would suggest pre- writting a script and going over it, and then add props/cothing makeup.........things to make the scene more "real"
<fiestyone> you mean by doing age play Sir??
<janizz> slips out....~enjoy~
<BernieRoehl> Dress up as the local sheriff, and a lot of subs may giggle. Put on a ski mask and pull out a switchblade, and they may not.
<Kilted_One> after the pre script has been run off take it where it goes natrually from there on oyt
<Kilted_One> oyt=out
<Omy_> How much scripting has to be done KO? General concept thing..or an actual script you have to learn?
<Argonaught> ah. but once a Man has that label its a stigma thats impossible to ever get rid of it
<Kilted_One> whatever works for you both, it is only to set the mood and to focus the individuals
* Omy_ looks at swissmisss and chuckles
<swissmisss> all a matter of mind
<oasis{Omy}> and buttons
* Trainer11 slave just wont play cannibal and missionary
<swissmisss> if one wants a roleplay to work, they will put their minds into it
<BernieRoehl> A tight script can certainly work. I've also had good success with a looser kind of scripting, more of a scenario than a script as such.
<swissmisss> like an actor in a movie.....remember it's a role
<Omy_> Would Pony play be considered role playing?
<Argonaught> roleplay with more than 2 people
<BernieRoehl> For example, using the interrogation scene example we talked about earlier, the "script" is fairly simple -- the interrogator tries to get information from the captive, and the scene ends when the information is revealed.
<mist{LW}> i tend to think that a looser script makes for more spontinaity in the responses of the players, and allows for a change of direction if something happens that wasnt planned, but appeals to both
<LORDWOLF> oh why that my favourite Trainer11 i always telling mist{LW} to bite me
<Trainer11> Omy I believe that pony play would certainly be role playing
<mist{LW}> hmm, see Master, we roleplay already ;}
* WOLFs_mist{LW} bites LORDWOLf
<WOLFs_mist{LW}> oops
<WOLFs_mist{LW}> nickserv says no lol
<LORDWOLF> see you role play in here pet
<swissmisss> as a submissive or a Dominant, we are already roleplaying
<BernieRoehl> Most roleplaying scenarios involve an inherent power difference between two of the characters
<mist{LW}> for some perhaps swissmisss, but for others isnt play to be sub or Dom
<mist{LW}> :}
<Argonaught> in a way are we not all roleplaying in here tonight?
<concubinary> i agree with mist
<Trainer11> swissmiss > I dont believe that in my case, at least...being a DOm is riolplay...that is just my true nature
<LORDWOLF> thus idisagrre for i mean businees when i actas dom it is 24/7
<Kilted_One> there is another thing that can be done to get the "headspace" right and that is "location'.....go some where that sets the mood for the scene...example pirate scene...on or near water in a boat, kidnap/rape scene in the bush, torture scene on a basement with concrete wall that sort of thing
<Omy_> I dunno mist...Unless I consider playing Popeye...cause I am what I am :)
<mist{LW}> no Argonaught, Master and i live together as Master and slave, it is not roleplaying
<Argonaught> smiles
<Argonaught> syren has similar status
* mist{LW} would love to do a pirate theme play party, where we go on a cruise somewhere to a out of the way place, and the maidens are taken captive by the nasty pirates
<BernieRoehl> Location certainly helps
<mist{LW}> raping and pillaging could be fun
* dalian smiles, liking that theme
<oasis{Omy}> the elemnt of surprise may help
<Trufriend> the raping part anyway mist ;)
<BernieRoehl> Finding a location can be challenging, of course, depending on the scenario
<sunao> We hace a boat and would love to "take you sailing" mist....
<LORDWOLF> eyes bink
<mist{LW}> well, they would have to search us to pillage lol
<mist{LW}> hehe sunao :}
<mist{LW}> still waiting for last years cruise ;}
<BernieRoehl> The examples that KO gave work well, and for the most part aren't hard to find. Other scenarios are trickier.
<sunao> Which two will be the poirates and which two the captains...do you think mist? grin
<LORDWOLF> the trianer wil captain well you two mates swap the deck
<LORDWOLF> and the cruel task master
<BernieRoehl> Now, a harder question... what are the risks in roleplaying?
<Trufriend> it could get out of hand Bernie
<Kilted_One> de-programing??
<LORDWOLF> one may come to believe the the role is true
<Omy_> Actually LORDWOLF..you ask my slave and she'll tell you I have that role down pat :)
<Trufriend> go too far and somebody might actually get hurt
<Omy_> Incarseration comes to mind Bernie
<sunao> I have a question I hesitate to ask....I can't conceive of playing the "little girl" but can conceive of the interrogation scene yet so far I don't take a great deal of pain...perhaps ;more than average but not great...Can someone help me understand a llittle better....Have only been to one where they role played so no knowledge.
<Argonaught> that the roleplayers like the play too much
<sunao> I have a question I hesitate to ask....I can't conceive of playing the "little girl" but can conceive of the interrogation scene yet so far I don't take a great deal of pain...perhaps ;more than average but not great...Can someone help me understand a llittle better....Have only been to one where they role played so no knowledge.
<sunao> oops sorry
<BernieRoehl> Interrogation scenes are (usually) not so much about pain, as they are about fear. They tend to be less physical and more psychological.
<MistressSarcastica> Depends on your interrogator, doesn't it?
<BernieRoehl> So the concern is that someone might get so caught up in the fantasy that they have trouble letting it go?
<sunao> Good interpretation Bernie
<Argonaught> is being interrogated now
<fiestyone> i tend to be one who dreams a lot.....
<fiestyone> and i would be kind of afraid that i would dream about a role afterwards
<fiestyone> in a not pleasant way
<Kilted_One> the best "inter" scenes (from the experts who do it professionally) is that it is all in the head and there is little of no actual physical pain involved
<LORDWOLF> interrogated done by mp try it sometime lots of pain
<sunao> I like that kilted ONe...thanks
<BernieRoehl> It helps to know the person being interrogated. If they're a "pain slut", there's no point in threatening them with pain (let alone using it).
<MistressSarcastica> Interrogation *for real* is about breaking someone, mentally and/or physically. Interrogation as role-play could include whatever the parties agree upon, no?
<MistressSarcastica> Maybe the role-play is "I get tickled until I give up the safe combination."
<oasis{Omy}> i see that as water sports
<Omy_> Laughing 0ut Loud
<Captain_suzq> lol
<LORDWOLF> i tend not role play as i do not like to be any one but me
<cara{BOID}> but a concern would be that someone could get so caught up in the role that the do 'break' their partner?
<Kilted_One> knowing some information about the individual also helps make any scene feel "more real" and can get the head space focused
<MistressSarcastica> Why do people think there is a greater risk in role-play than other kinds of play? If the top is incompetent or out of control, the risk is real whether it's role-play or an over-the-knee spanking.
<Kilted_One> I would think it is because "mental mistakes" can leave more lasting injuries that phyical ones
<Omy_> Perhaps MistressSarcastica it has to do with life experience...like doing a rape scene with someone that has been raped
<cara{BOID}> but physical mistakes can also be mental ones
<Captain_suzq> that would not be good
<fiestyone> and i think that physical injuries tend to make themselves apparent at the time
<mist{LW}> for me a rape scene would be out, definately, cause i would start to fight for real
<fiestyone> where mental hurt can take a while to surface
<Argonaught> that would be a nono in my book to rape scene a rape victim
<LORDWOLF> and it would be out for me because i would not go there
* BernieRoehl notes that time is almost up for the discussion
<LORDWOLF> for i feel it would be degrading to my self as well as my slave
<oasis{Omy}> i think some role plays can just be a hoot... lead into blissfully sore ass and some rather naughty sex... but hey.. who said I didnt have a one tract mind :)
<Omy_> Agreed Argonaught..if you KNEW the girl ahd been through it. Somethings that have happened to us get buried.
<MistressSarcastica> I think that if you don't know what you are doing, you shouldn't be doing it, whether it's an interrogation scene, a rape scene or a ticking scene.
<BernieRoehl> So... anyone have any closing thoughts on the topic of roleplaying?
<fiestyone> it sounds like something i would like to do at some point
<fiestyone> and im glad i got to learn a bit about it here
<fiestyone> thankyou
<BernieRoehl> And on that note....
<Omy_> Lots of communication..a bit of a script..a location..and a costume if required and have fun
<BernieRoehl> I'm closing the log. Thanks to everyone who participated in tonight's discussion. I'm going offline for a bit to process and upload the discussion log.
<Captain_suzq> thank you Bernie
<BernieRoehl> See you all later!
<Omy_> Thanks Bernie...good topic
<cara{BOID}> take care Bernie
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<Kilted_One> thanks Bernie
<candleboy> nite Bernie
<Captain_suzq> nite Bernie