April 9 2000 EhBC Online Discussion

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<BernieRoehl> Welcome to our regular Sunday night discussion. Please refrain from sending "hi" and "bye" messages until after 10 pm. Also note that the discussion is being logged. If you wish to say something, but remain anonymous, you should change your nick. We recommend using raptor.ab.ca.dal.net as your server, to minimize lag. Tonight's discussion topic is "When You Want to Do Something and It Squicks Your Partner". The moderator tonight is BernieRoehl. Enjoy the discussion!
<Galadan> hey becky, crysania^
<BernieRoehl> So, welcome to the discussion!
<SirDavid> bbl
<crysania^> be well Sir David
<BernieRoehl> Let's start by discussing the word "squick". Anyone care to offer a definition?
<`vixie> something that makes a person queasy?
* `vixie shrugs
<`vixie> like a quirk
<ont_sub> turn off .. something that makes you very uncomfortable
<bottoms_up{RD}> something that makes you uncomfortable, not a turn on?
<ont_sub> ?
<becky> icky !
<Achilles{tr}> Pass... I'll take obscure tools of torture for 300.
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<becky> lol
<ont_sub> :)
<`slutkat`> ;-)))
<`vixie> lol Achilles{tr}
* |Karen grins "I'm quirky, but defintely not squicky'
<crysania^> can someone tell this one definition o squicky?
<|Karen> quirky is good, squick is a discomfort think
<|Karen> err....thing
<becky> parts of me are squishy.. sorta ;p
<`slutkat`> quirt is good too
<bottoms_up{RD}> i am thinking it can be an emotional or physical thing..right?
* `vixie just waits to hear the answer
<SiRmac{v}> squick=turn off
<bottoms_up{RD}> like age play or watersports? ;)
<|Karen> those wouldn't be squicks for me, bottoms :)
<BernieRoehl> Yes. For example, I'm squicked by needle play -- just an aversion I have.
<crysania^> thank You
<Achilles{tr}> Does it assume it is beyond negotiated or understood limits?
<BernieRoehl> So if I had a partner who really, really, really wanted to have needle play done on her, we'd have a problem.
<bottoms_up{RD}> Karen.. i have only done watersports with my ex Master.. i liked it.. RD doesnt like it
<bottoms_up{RD}> it depends if you are a monogamous couple Bernie, yes? otherwise she could get that play elsewhere?
<`slutkat`> in that case, you find someone you both trust who does needleplay and you let that person do it on her
<|Karen> you could have someone else do that play for her, Bernie
<BernieRoehl> Yes, quite right. That's certainly one advantage of non-monotony
<BernieRoehl> (umm... non-monogamy)
<`slutkat`> LOL
* BernieRoehl thinks His "freudian slip" is showing :-)
<|Karen> hmmmm....Freud would love that slip, Bernie
<bottoms_up{RD}> but if you are a monogamous couple.. i guess it would come down to 'how important is it' for both partners
<crysania^> mmmm, was that realy a typo..
<`slutkat`> new rumour.. Bernie has slips that show...
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
* BernieRoehl smiles
<`slutkat`> it all also depends on yer definition of monogamy...
<Achilles{tr}> Some squicks can be overcome in small steps. To experience portions of the sensation and learn if it is REALLY something you don't want or if it is something that, upon experience, is fun.
<BernieRoehl> Good point, bottoms -- if either partner is willing to bend, then it can work
<SiRmac{v}> I don't believe one aspect of play that squicks would be worth ending a monogomous relationship.
<Achilles{tr}> A squick would seem to assume a basic fear or queasiness. This might be overcome.
<SiRmac{v}> W/we have several squicky things...
* bottoms_up{RD} grins to Sirmac.. well if it was intercourse that was squicky.. it would be for me *smart ass smile* ;)
<Achilles{tr}> Example.. fisting. Can be experienced a bit at a time to decide if it really IS an issue.
<BernieRoehl> That's probably true in most cases, SiRmac. However, if the thing is something that the one partner really needs... it may not be possible to give it up
<SiRmac{v}> open mindedness helps... I appreciate effort ;-)
* BernieRoehl smiles
* |Karen grins 'like bottoms said...intercourse'
<BernieRoehl> As do We all, SiRmac
<crysania^> stretching limits is part of it unless it is a hard limit
<bottoms_up{RD}> it also is important on how the partner tries to get the other to over come the fear or uneasiness... with patience and work or with manipulation or pressure
<SiRmac{v}> intercourse in monogamy squicky? Possible but unlikely.
<Achilles{tr}> Very much agreed bottoms.
<BernieRoehl> So is the onus on the squicked partner? Or should we be willing to give up some of our fetishes if our partners can't go there?
<SiRmac{v}> lotsa pretty puhhhhhllllleeeaaassssseeeesssss and positive re enforcement.
<ont_sub> depends on the relationship i think
<Achilles{tr}> As has been mentioned... it would depend on just how important the thing is. A mild interest can just be set aside. A really strong interest might need to be negotiated and perhhaps experiemnted with in some manner.
<SiRmac{v}> I believe every relationship is give and take.
<bottoms_up{RD}> unless it was something vital to me, i think i could do without if the partner fulfilled other aspects of my needs.. although i may whine and pout now and again *grin*
<BernieRoehl> Those of us who have had vanilla partners who we tried to "bring over" to BDSM, have all encountered this problem.
* bottoms_up{RD} raises my hand.. yup
* canplay nods
<`vixie> i had one 'nilla partner like that, and we couldn't compromise at all, wound up being the factor to cause the beak-up
* SiRmac{v} raises mine too
<ont_sub> but that is bdsm as a whole compared to a squick that may only be one small aspect of it
* Achilles{tr} has only tried to bring one partner over and that was treasure... it worked out rather well.
* bottoms_up{RD} smiles to Achilles.. lucky you ;)
<Achilles{tr}> Bloody right.
<SiRmac{v}> for me it worked out so it is viewed less as a 'problem' and more of a challenge.
<Achilles{tr}> It could have gone wrong and been the end... or it might just have been set aside. hard to say at this point.
<bottoms_up{RD}> as the squickee, i would try to compromise adn work towards overcoming the uneasiness
* #bdsm-kw is being logged
<SiRmac{v}> anyone care to share more specific squicks with overcoming examples?
<`vixie> sometimes people have such huge mental blocks in their head about certain things (eg hard limits) that they can't understand what their partner is trying to say
<bottoms_up{RD}> if its something i havent tried, i would be willing to try in a reasonable manner.. to give it a chance. always with the option of saying RED at any time
<bottoms_up{RD}> me and watersports... i said it was a hard limit. with me ex Master, talking and reassurance we tried small steps with it.. now i am open to it ;)
<|Karen> what kind of relationship I was in would influence how willing I was to try to overcome a squick...
<rbrraincoat> Hi SiRmac & anyone else I may have missed
<ont_sub> i agree bottoms
<crysania^> sometimes the idea does not sound good, but if introduced in the proper manner a turn off can become a turn on
<ont_sub> smile
<bottoms_up{RD}> very true Karen... makes a big difference on the risk factor
<SiRmac{v}> agreed Karen
<BernieRoehl> So what are some techniques people have used to help their partners overcome the "squick" factor?
<|Karen> I'd be more likely to try to overcome something for a life-partner then for someone I was just dating
<bottoms_up{RD}> agreed Karen ;)
<crysania^> intemix it with something He enjoys
<crysania^> intermix even
<canplay> agrees with crysania, on how it is introduced
<bottoms_up{RD}> talking it out, visualization.. BABY steps. like i was terrified of public play... lol. with baby steps LOOK where i ended up *big wicked grin*
* BernieRoehl smiles
<BernieRoehl> So mixing the squick-inducing activity in with other activities (those preferred by the partner). How else have people approached it?
<SiRmac> talk it out. understand both sides
* BernieRoehl nods
<bottoms_up{RD}> getting to know WHY it is squicky is important
<BernieRoehl> Yes, understanding and talking is key
<|Karen> I've never actually been in the position....on either side of the coin
<SiRmac> I've squicked ......
<crysania^> agrees with bottoms up it is what we don't understand that we fear
<bottoms_up{RD}> or what we have tried at one point.. in the wrong frame of mind or circumstances.. that have burned us and made it a fear
<|Karen> I've got squicks, but to date, my partner has always more or less agreed with me on 'em
<SiRmac> leather hoods remind 'v' of an executioner..... I never knew or thought of it.
<crysania^> what One does well another does not, i had One hurt me with an action so did not want to do it again
* `vixie associates hoods with drowning *shudders*
<`vixie> so far i haven't had anyone request me wear one
<crysania^> but another took care and i was able to enjoy it
* bottoms_up{RD} is claustrophobic .. hoods and not breathing *shivers* ;)
* bottoms_up{RD} smiles to crysania
<SiRmac> we talked it over and I explained I liked the look and the smell.... and that it was safe. no execution going on..
<bottoms_up{RD}> and you kept the guillotine out of sight ;)
* BernieRoehl laughs (good advice, bottoms!)
<SiRmac> exactly bu *hehe*
<bottoms_up{RD}> hehehe
<crysania^> lol
<canplay> it must take the ultimate in trust to overcome a squick
<`vixie> very true canplay
<crysania^> agrees with canplay without trust play of any kind is difficult
<SiRmac> so...the hood went into the back of the toy closet for months.
<bottoms_up{RD}> and then Sirmac?
<SiRmac> one eve quite by her choice she came strutting into the bedroom wearing it (among other things).
<crysania^> closet He has a whole closet full, looks at SiRmac in a new light
<bottoms_up{RD}> my ex Master knows of my claustrophic fears and tried to help me get over them.. without success ;)
<canplay> i like the way of planting a seed, letting the idea go, knowing it is growing in the others mind, and reintroducing at an appropriate time
<BernieRoehl> So in that case, it was just a question of giving her time to process
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol Sirmac..that would have been a joy to see ;)
<SiRmac> I was really appreciative of it and well...... very turned on.
<bottoms_up{RD}> i like that also canplay... letting the squick lose its edge bit by bit.. getting comfortable with it
<crysania^> i would want to please my Master so if there was something i knew He wanted, would try to reason my fears out in my mind
<canplay> You did well SiRmac, to plant the seed and not push, i am glad You got the results You did Sir :)
<BernieRoehl> In some ways, it's a bit like desensitizing people to a phobia
<SiRmac> Yes, I think by expressing my view planted a seed. I was unaware that it was growing.
<bottoms_up{RD}> yes Bernie ;)
<dalian> it gave her a chance to deal with the squick on her own terms alone
<BernieRoehl> Any other hints/tips/techniques?
<bottoms_up{RD}> pressure, pleading or guilt will only make things worse
<crysania^> i would like to think patience and understanding would come in to it, He would need to willing to approach it slowly
<SiRmac> I'm sure if I pushed it would've created a larger squick.
<bottoms_up{RD}> 'if you loved me, you would....' isnt healthy and unlikely to work, even if it does it leaves resentment i think
* BernieRoehl agrees with bottoms
<SiRmac> agreed bottoms
<`vixie> true bu
<|Karen> I just had an epiphany about a past relationship
<crysania^> hate the if you love you would line,, shudders
* SiRmac has never been squicked
<ont_sub> in my experience a lot of people are too afraid of being judged negatively to bring it up with a partner
<ont_sub> and often with good reason
<ont_sub> it can mean the end of a relationship instantly
* |Karen was squicked by the kind of love presented....the commitment...and was pressured.
<SiRmac> I don't understan ont
<SiRmac> please explain
<canplay> my ex Master would plant seeds, then let sit idle for a bit, then happen to show me a few pics of this squick, let it sit, then discuss it further down the road pointing out why He would enjoy this and all safty aspects,then lets it rest til a later date usually by then i am game :)
<ont_sub> ok for example.. if i am really wanting to get into golden showers with a potential partner
<|Karen> wow.
<bottoms_up{RD}> what does one do, after patience and understanding, trying and compromising.. and still not get past the squick. leave it forever or try at a later date as you grow as a couple and an individual?
<SiRmac> great canplay.... visuals can help ...
<ont_sub> i bring it up and she may head for the hills faster than you can saay blink
<ont_sub> :)
<canplay> visual really help here :)
<ont_sub> i think that is a valid concern
<bottoms_up{RD}> oh i like that canplay ;)
<crysania^> agrees with ont_sub, fear of rejection is an issue
<`vixie> very true ont_sub
<SiRmac> you can bring it up in a more subtle fashion ont_sub
<bottoms_up{RD}> ont, being worried about squicking a partner with your desires..can be scary, agreed ;)
<ont_sub> i mean its all well and good to say .. well introduce it gently
<ont_sub> over time etc
<dalian> it isn't that easy
<ont_sub> but in fact you may no longer have any time
<canplay> i am sure there are squicks that will just have to remain as squicks
<ont_sub> if you can great
<bottoms_up{RD}> again ont, doesnt it come down to how important is it? are you wililng to keep it secret or to try and open up and see what happens?
<BernieRoehl> Quite often, if someone has a fetish they have material (books, videos, that sort of thing) related to the fetish. Perhaps sharing that material with the partner might be one way of introducing it.
<`vixie> good idea Bernie
<SiRmac> maybe the end result is not 'easy' but you can still bring it up well.
<ont_sub> bit how many partners are that open to even consider experimenting
<`vixie> i tried that, and the person ran the other way, lol
<crysania^> if it was a new relationship would be reluctant to bring up something new and different
<ont_sub> thats my point vixie
<canplay> if they run, that is for the best, suffer little now or great later
<bottoms_up{RD}> leave an outline of their body in the door, vix? hehehe
<crysania^> unless intitiated by Him
<SiRmac> lol b.u.
<BernieRoehl> That's a valid point, canplay
<`vixie> naaaah, just on the hotel floor ;)
* `vixie chuckles remembering
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<canplay> i would rather know if W/we are good match in ideas and fetishes
<`vixie> i had thought he was more 'open minded' than he was....*shrugs*...i found out in an awful hurry how close minded he was
<bottoms_up{RD}> if something i desire is a squick to my partner and they react so negatively that they leave me, instead of talking it out and seeing what we could do about it, i dont think they have the patience or maturity i need anyhow
<SiRmac> knowing your play partner helps in understanding what may squik,
* canplay has seen some run herself *laffs*
* SiRmac agrrees with bu
<`vixie> very true bu
* SiRmac agrees too.
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol canplay ;)
* |Karen agrees with bottoms
<`vixie> but just from that experience i have a hard time mentioning to people i meet outside the D/s community about my 'interest' in D/s
<bottoms_up{RD}> ok, i gotta stay outta these topics.. people are agreeing with me and i am getting a complex.. lol
* canplay laffs at bu
* SiRmac my hero ..... bu! lol
<bottoms_up{RD}> hehe
<dalian> but what if the person is someone you care very deeply about....is their negative reaction enough for you to get fluff off the relationship?
<dalian> get=just
<canplay> oh vixie i would not talk about this outside D/s community, everything would be a squick to my vanilla friends
<SiRmac> depends on the meaningfulness of the squickie
<bottoms_up{RD}> so, do you give up on the desire for the squicky thing forever.. if you try and it doesnt work? or agree to put it aside til later.. as you grow?
<crysania^> one squirk should not be enough to end a good relationship
<`vixie> i didn't end the relationship, he did, based on what i said
* `vixie shrugs
<`vixie> his loss
<canplay> true crysania , one squick shuold not be enough to end it
* SiRmac never wants anything closed forever..
<crysania^> a closed mind is a wasted mind
<bottoms_up{RD}> i think the way you both handle the squick can end the relationship though... if one person freaks all out and wont listen or talk about it or treats you different because of that need
<canplay> every year i look back and laff at how much i have grown *grins*
<SiRmac> then both are better off bu
<bottoms_up{RD}> right Sirmac ;)
<SiRmac> exactly canplay.... something I did yesterday would've squicked me 4 yrs ago.
* canplay nods to SiRmac
<bottoms_up{RD}> i am amazed at how many doors in my mind have opened since coming to bdsm, also ;)
<crysania^> what about letting the partner go outside of the relationship to satisfy the need
<SiRmac> thats why closing something forever makes no sense to m.
<bottoms_up{RD}> well i am a slut and want a slut for a Master.. so that works for me crysania *grin*
<BernieRoehl> That's a good question, crysania. If the need is specific (and not necessarily sexual) it may be possible to have someone else satisfy it without jeopardizing the primary relationship.
<canplay> once again , that would require great trust
<bottoms_up{RD}> agreed Bernie ;)
<SiRmac> yes but that must be hndled verrrrry carefully.
<crysania^> it would have to be negotiated by both partners not a sneaking around behind
<BernieRoehl> True, canplay -- but so does everything we do.
<canplay> i would want my Master present, and i would adore Him for giving this to me
* BernieRoehl agrees with crysania
<SiRmac> you would'nt want it to be a threat nd then force the partner to do something they rreally didn't.
<ont_sub> sneakling is a fast road to the end of the relationship
<BernieRoehl> Ah, but if he is sufficiently squicked, canplay, he may not want to be present
<bottoms_up{RD}> true
<canplay> then i would not wish this for myself Bernie
<bottoms_up{RD}> even with someone you trusted, canplay?
<canplay> i could leave it out :)
<|Karen> yes. if I was with Bernie, for example....I wouldn't want him to sit through watching needle play for me
<BernieRoehl> Good example, Karen
<SiRmac> o.k., i'll watch for him ;-)
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<canplay> lol
<BernieRoehl> In that situation, I would have no objection to my partner experiencing needle play with someone else, and I certainly wouldn't want to be present myself.
<BernieRoehl> Thanks, SiRmac :-)
<SiRmac> anytime
* |Karen smiles
<canplay> it has never come up, but i can't see myself wanting something my Master was so squicked by
<crysania^> i would rather Him address His desire for the one item with someone else then lose the entire relationship
<SiRmac> Wold you then need to hear the details later Bernie?
<canplay> if it does not please Him, it would not please me to do this
<BernieRoehl> Yes, but I would reserve the right to "safeword" the description if it got too detailed :-)
<crysania^> lol
* canplay smiles at Bernie
<dalian> i agree canplay
* bottoms_up{RD} smiles to canplay.. we all have different needs. just because he is your Master doesnt mean you cant have different needs that may be squicky to him ;)
<BernieRoehl> And yet, canplay... if I know my submissive needs something that I can't provide, I would be unhappy to see her unfulfilled.
<SiRmac> agreed Bernie... same as watching or not watching
* BernieRoehl nods
<BernieRoehl> ... and happy to see her fulfilled, of course
<crysania^> nods at Bernie that is how i feel about my partner
<rbrraincoat> I'm off. Have a great night all!
<BernieRoehl> So, in the ten minutes remaining, does anyone have any success stories they'd like to share?
<BernieRoehl> (of squicks overcome)
<bottoms_up{RD}> i would be hurt if my partner had needs that they thought would be squicky to me.. and never told me. even if i did feel they were squicky, the idea of not sharing and trusting me would bother me
<SiRmac> tons Bernie but I've told one.... anyone else?
<bottoms_up{RD}> i have told two also ;)
<crysania^> mine is embarassing, blushes so keeps it to myself
* bottoms_up{RD} smiles to cyrsania ;)
<canplay> no way will i say mine, was hard enough talking to Master about them let alone a room full of others *laffs*
* dalian agrees with canplay
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<SiRmac> tell it in the third person crys (we'll play dumb) lol
<bottoms_up{RD}> hehe Sirmac.. good try ;)
<canplay> laffs
<crysania^> mmm, let me think,, ahh, no
<crysania^> no Sir of course
<canplay> well i have this friend You see,,, hahhaa
* BernieRoehl smiles
<bottoms_up{RD}> what about you Bernie? ;)
<SiRmac> ya, lets pick on Bernie lo
* |Karen grins, wants to hear a Bernie story
<bottoms_up{RD}> all eyes ON Bernie *Grin*
* BernieRoehl smiles, and adjusts the spotlight
<crysania^> eyes and ears turn to Bernie
* canplay looks at Bernie
* BernieRoehl laughs
* dalian turns to face Bernie
<BernieRoehl> Everyone obviously knows me well :-)
<crysania^> learning Sir,, smiles
<BernieRoehl> Of course, now *anything* I say will be a big let-down! *laughing*
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<SiRmac> one where you've squicked?
<BernieRoehl> Well, I can talk about getting over my own aversion to knife play.
<bottoms_up{RD}> real knives or those pseudo ones? ;)
<SiRmac> go on......
<BernieRoehl> For the longest time, any kind of sharp object was enough to really squick me. But I came to realize that a *lot* of submissives really love knife play, so I convinced myself to work on it.
<BernieRoehl> (This is all relatively recent -- in the last few years)
<bottoms_up{RD}> did you work with the knife alone first.. handling it, on yourself?
<BernieRoehl> I started by using (don't laugh...) plastic knives, the kind you get at fast food restaurants
<crysania^> puts hand over mouth to hold in giggle, sorry
<bottoms_up{RD}> ohhhh cute *hiding my smile* ;)) .. a nice start ;)
<SiRmac> *hehe* oops orry
<BernieRoehl> I worked them into the scene, and found I had no problem with them
<canplay> neither did she i bet *grins*
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<bottoms_up{RD}> oh thats bad, canplay ;)
<BernieRoehl> Then I got a "real" knife (actually had one for a while, which I had never used) and tried just handling it a lot. Pick it up, feeling it in my hand, cutting paper with it, things like that.
* BernieRoehl smiles "true, canplay!"
<bottoms_up{RD}> i like that step Bernie ;)
<canplay> is actually really pleased to here this Bernie, can work with so many ideas as well
<BernieRoehl> The first few times I used it in the scene I made a point of blindfolding the submissive, so she wouldn't see me trying to work up the courage to actually use the knife :-)
<crysania^> smiles @ Bernie
<bottoms_up{RD}> ohhh interesting .. so she wouldnt get nervous seeing you nervous ;)
<BernieRoehl> I was very tentative at first, but as with anything in the scene, her reactions fueled me and I gradually became more comfortable with it
<canplay> good idea ;)
<SiRmac> blindfolds are an excellent way to introduce something new :-)
<crysania^> <<< love blindfolds, shivers
* canplay makes note to worry when Master uses blindfold for first use of knife
<BernieRoehl> Knives still aren't something I use a lot, but at least now they're part of my repertoire
<bottoms_up{RD}> i would say i prefer no blindfold for something i was nervous about, i prefer full awareness... but hearing this nervousness thing from the Doms side, i can see the possibilities ;)
<BernieRoehl> So... anyone else like to share?
<canplay> opps time is up Bernie *grins*
* |Karen laughs 'oh, now you've gone and made the subs nervous about blindfolds'
<bottoms_up{RD}> hehehe
<SiRmac> did you tell her you would be using a knife Bernie?
<crysania^> that was really nice story Bernie, smiles
<SiRmac> or did you introduce it knowing she'd like it?
<BernieRoehl> No, I didn't tell her ahead of time (just in case I got cold feet about using it)
<canplay> lol
<BernieRoehl> When I did use it, it was completely unexpected -- and a wonderful surprise for her!
* canplay loves His honesty
<SiRmac> great Bernie! Thnks for sharing.
* BernieRoehl smiles
<BernieRoehl> My pleasure.
<|Karen> Bernie.....go back a few years to AnnArbor?
* bottoms_up{RD} smiles warmly to Bernie ;)
<BernieRoehl> I remember, Karen
<bottoms_up{RD}> to me, the thought 'how important is it' for both of you..sums up what to do with something that is squicky to your partner
<crysania^> mmm, why are All the good Ones taken, sighs
<|Karen> how nervous were you watching that knife scene?
<SiRmac> i agree B.U.
* bottoms_up{RD} huggles crysania ;)
<BernieRoehl> Very, Karen
* BernieRoehl glances at His watch, notes the time
* |Karen smiles and hugs Bernie 'thank you'
* BernieRoehl hugs Karen back
<BernieRoehl> My pleasure
<crysania^> loves those huggles, thank You bottoms up
<bottoms_up{RD}> thank you Bernie.. for sharing as well as moderating *hugs*
<canplay> wonderful job Bernie, thanks :))
<crysania^> thank You Bernie
<BernieRoehl> Thanks, everyone!
<SiRmac> thanks Bernie.... for moderating
* BernieRoehl feels all warm and fuzzy now :-)
<dalian> great discussion Baernie
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol.. Bernie the fuzzy bear ;)
<BernieRoehl> Thanks for participating, everyone! I should have the log processed and uploaded in a little while.
<SiRmac> must show me your knife collection soon :-)
<crysania^> wheres the razor someone needs a shave
* BernieRoehl smiles
<BernieRoehl> By all means, feel free to continue chatting, but I've closed the log. I'm going offline for a bit to process/upload.
<crysania^> Be Well Bernie
<BernieRoehl> See you...!