April 7, 2002 EhBC Online Discussion
<mist{LW}> lol
<BernieRoehl> Hi, everyone!
<DarkAngel^{rt}> ah HA!!!!!!
<mist{LW}> see, just say His name and He appears DA
<SB`n`kierana> hello Bernie Sir
<candie> hello Bernie :)
<EchoesII> *smiles to Dark,,candie,, SB`n`kierana,,*top of t' evening*
<mist{LW}> hiya BernieRoehl::huggles::
<oasis{Omy}> Bernie! huggles gropes
<yummy> hi BernieRoehl
<Symmetre> hi Bernie
<BernieRoehl> You usuallly have to say it three times, like Beetlejuice :-)
#bdsm-kw url is http://home.golden.net/~ehbc
<mist{LW}> hiya janizz
<mist{LW}> hehe
<BernieRoehl> Hello, everyone
* DarkAngel^{rt} does a few abra cadabras and waves away the smoke ,,, ok,, and for my next trick
<Omy_> Heloo BernieRoehl
* BernieRoehl notices it's almost 9 pm
<DarkAngel^{rt}> who's jiuce BernieRoehl ?
* candie gives Bernie a warm hug
<mist{LW}> just as long as no one steps on ya after Your arrival Bernie :}
<S\smalltownguy> hello all
<mist{LW}> evening S\smalltownguy, and MasterBaiter
* BernieRoehl smiles
<DarkAngel^{rt}> yup BernieRoehl ,,, git to work there ,,,lol
<BernieRoehl> Well, it's 9 pm and time for our weekly discussion
<SB`n`kierana> hello S/smalltownguy and MasterBaiter Sir
* BernieRoehl smiles at DA
<S\smalltownguy> evening
<BernieRoehl> I've set an automatic message that reads as follows:
<BernieRoehl> Welcome to or regular Sunday night discussion. Please refrain from sending "hi" and "bye" messages until after 10 pm. Also note that the discussion is being logged. If you wish to remain anonymous, you should change your nick. We recommend using twisted.ma.us.dal.net as your server, to minimize lag. Tonight's discussion is "Learning the Ropes, Gaining Experience". The moderator is BernieRoehl. Enjoy the discussion!
* DarkAngel^{rt} sits back and props his feet up ,,,,
<BernieRoehl> So... the topic is how to gain experience. This is one of the trickiest parts of getting involved in D/s, since it's something of a chicken-and-the-egg problem
<DarkAngel^{rt}> I once met this rope ,,, real nice rope ,,, white,, soft ,, but nice and strong
* SB`n`kierana watches...hoping it's not rt He's propping His feet up on
<DarkAngel^{rt}> she has to be good for something SB`n`kierana
<Omy_> Good idea kierana
<BernieRoehl> Sort of like needing experience to get a job, but needing a job to get experience
<BernieRoehl> So... how to get started is the question. Any opening thoughts?
* #bdsm-kw is being logged
<DarkAngel^{rt}> well BernieRoehl ,, I would say observation and asking questions helps
* BernieRoehl nods
<DarkAngel^{rt}> workshops , Munches, other community events
<SB`n`kierana> that only goes as taken tho, DA Sir...watching and learning that way
<DarkAngel^{rt}> reading books, playing with boobies
<mist{LW}> webpages on the internet, chat rooms
<SB`n`kierana> but that doesn't give anyone the hands on experience they crave...i know it didn't me...
<Symmetre> absolutely ... communications and getting to know others ... letting others get to know you
<BernieRoehl> Certainly it helps to be able to see other people doing things. I feel bad for people living in the middle of nowhere, with no opportunity to learn by observation
<S\smalltownguy> community events are difficult for people outside the area
<dalian> it may not give as much for hands on experience, but I've learned that casual play is not for me...and therefore all of the above have been my only ways of keeping on the learning curve
<DarkAngel^{rt}> some are on w/e's S\smalltownguy, and yup ,, travel might be necessary
<DarkAngel^{rt}> but depends on where you are S\smalltownguy .. I know events are spread out pretty good ,, from Windsor to Kingston
<Symmetre> that is a reality ... if you live in a small rural community, you may have no choice but to move to a larger town or city
<S\smalltownguy> I'm quite a bit north of you folks
<BernieRoehl> It's harder to find the scene in a small community, since everyone's so cautious, but these days most people can find their way to the occasional event in a moderate-sized city
<Touch> Its also hard finding good groups, I'm quite a bit south of you
<DarkAngel^{rt}> true Touch ,, I like finding a good grope
<DarkAngel^{rt}> but if you cant find one ,,,, start one
<SB`n`kierana> SB is in erie, PA and He says that the closest group to him in PA is 6 hrs away...closer to come here...which i think is odd
<Symmetre> the internet is obviously a huge aid in finding events and functions where you can meet other people with similar interests ... but it doesn't replace meeting real live people
<oasis{Omy}> i think i learned more and at an excellerated rate when i began to attend local munches... listening and watching open many new doors and questions that i have never thought of before where brought to lite
* BernieRoehl agrees with DA -- if you build it, they will come
<DarkAngel^{rt}> I thought it was "if you play with it, they will come" ?
* BernieRoehl chuckles
<mist{LW}> there are local munches in a lot of smaller places, its just a matter of finding them, there are a few good sites online that list local munches, mind you where i came from there was nothing for about six hours time
<DarkAngel^{rt}> ok,, so now you go to munches and events ,,, what is the next step ?
<BernieRoehl> So attending fetish nights and play parties to watch other people play is one way of "learning the ropes" -- what's next?
<yummy> making friends?
* BernieRoehl notices that he and DA are sharing a brain tonight
* DarkAngel^{rt} points to BernieRoehl ,,, ya ,, what he said
<DarkAngel^{rt}> good point yummy ,,, most people would only feel comfortable playing with a friend ,, makes sence to me
<Omy_> Find someone who you like and trust and ask for some guidence
<DarkAngel^{rt}> and playing with a friend ,, means there is already trust
<SB`n`kierana> i feel that way right now...play with F/friends i have gotten to know and trust
<DarkAngel^{rt}> if all else fails though ,,, nothing wrong with striking (pun intended) up a conversation at an event and asking if the other is interested in some light play
<BernieRoehl> I think that makes a lot of sense. Some people look for a Master (or even just an ongoing relationship with a Dom) right away, without ever experiencing things first-hand
<fiesty-afk> i did that once Sir
<SB`n`kierana> and then the hope is that over a little time, meeting others thru those friends that one can also trust
<lil`tigress{TJ}> for the most part it is always better only to play with someone you know and trust.. if not that you could end up in trouble
<fiesty-afk> and was made to feel that i had committed a crime against nature
<fiesty-afk> i knew this person well
<fiesty-afk> but was told it was the biggest faux pas a sub could commit
<DarkAngel^{rt}> what was fiesty-afk ?
<fiesty-afk> asking someone to play with me
* DarkAngel^{rt} <----- is a faux pas
<fiesty-afk> so i was wrong.....correct??
<DarkAngel^{rt}> in what context fiesty-afk ,,, that isnt a concept I agree with btw
<yummy> oh well fiesty-afk, i was told that it was a faux pas for a Dom to ask a sub to play - i think it depends who you ask and what day
<MasterBaiter> No, that person was an idiot, fiesty-afk. Better off not playing with them, IMHO.
<Omy_> I don't think so fiesty-afk
<BernieRoehl> Really? I guess it depends on the person involved. Personally, I have no objection to it.
<lil`tigress{TJ}> that i dont agree with fiesty.. i know from my own experience.. that some Dom's that I have played with or rather they have played with me. .have preferred being asked to do so... as they didnt want to push themselves on me or others
<janizz> im too shy to ask to play, but there are Several i'd like to try
<fiesty-afk> he didn't say anything to me at the time
* BernieRoehl agrees with lil`tigress{TJ} and DA
<lil_kitten> Bernie - I think especially for the first time, some people are too shy/scared to do anything, especially for the first time, outside of a solid relationship... makes it tough for some newbies
<DarkAngel^{rt}> me either ,,, someone asking respectfully to play with anouther is propper ,, IMO ,, whether the asker is Dom, sub, sWiTcH or whatever
<Kilted_One> I would go as far as calling someone and "idiot" just because they have a different outlook that you Baiter
* ^^^^zaR^^^^ again ponders the benifit of a monthly copy of NakedDom magazine
<fiesty-afk> but i was told by others after the fact....it made me cry......that i was so stupid......
<BernieRoehl> I've had people approach me for play, and it's certainly never bothered me. And if my "dance card" isn't too full, I'll usually say yes.
<fiesty-afk> and looked like a total fool
<dana_emberstoflames> exactly lil kitten
<fiesty-afk> i don't think i will do it again......
<Symmetre> there's nothing wrong with asking provided you're polite
* DarkAngel^{rt} usually says no thank you ,, I am too shy for casual play
<yummy> i wouldn't let free advise change your actions fiesty-afk - do what feels right
<SB`n`kierana> and see...i'm still too shy to ask Anyone to play publicly with me...
<MasterBaiter> Well, that makes us different, KO.
<janizz> if a Dom has a regular partner, how do the others know if He/she will play with others
<fiesty-afk> im always polite Symmetre
<DarkAngel^{rt}> to each their own fiesty-afk ,,,
<lil_kitten> I would have *never EVER* tried any kind of play outside of a really caring relationship early on
* lil_kitten has since recovered :)
<Symmetre> I know it fiesty ... was a rhetorical comment
<fiesty-afk> sorry Sir....
<BernieRoehl> Good question, janizz. My advice would be simply to ask.
<janizz> hey Bernie, You wanna play....*l*
<BernieRoehl> Sure, janizz. I'm a little busy moderating the discussion right now, though! :-)
<DarkAngel^{rt}> well ,, for sake of discussion ,, do others agree that it is best that casual play be light ? now if the 2 (or more) know each other ,, that is a different case
<Kilted_One> We can and are all different Baiter, but that is not and excuse to be rude or less understanding of others and their beliefs
<janizz> i have been told Bernie my timing isnt the best ~s~
<Omy_> Be Right Back folks...gotaa go strip
* SB`n`kierana smiles has seen a few Dom's would have liked to ask...:)
<lil_kitten> I think so DA - especially if you don't really *know* each other, or perhaps - take it up a notch at a time?
* BernieRoehl smiles at janizz
<DarkAngel^{rt}> my thoghts exactly lil_kitten
<DarkAngel^{rt}> even if you had watched the other play before ,,, the first time ,, is always a time for slow exploration ,,,IMO
* SB`n`kierana nods
<janizz> i think there should be colour coded name tags..*l*
<MasterBaiter> Let me rephrase then. He may not be an idiot. That was certainly an idiotic comment, however.
<SB`n`kierana> lol janizz...seperating the newbies from the experienced O/ones?
<MistressSarcastica> KO, you think that the person who badmouthed fiesty to others but didn't have the balls to speak to her directly isn't an idiot?
<Symmetre> if it is a first-ever play experience, I believe it is extremely important to say so right up front, regardless if one is sub, dom, switch or however they identify
<janizz> no kierana...who is available to play and who is not...Doms/subs
<lil_kitten> really light play kinda bores the crap outta me, but at the same time, i've had experiences with people who are experienced simply not knowing that I ******hate****** X, Y or Z, in a casual play situation, and starting off a little too strong - leaving no room to feel out what I can handle
<MasterBaiter> Now poor fiesty feels bad for asking, and probably won't do it again. And, as we all seem to agree, there's nothing wrong with politely asking. It's just a shame. WIIWD is hard enough, without arbitrary rules.
<DarkAngel^{rt}> true lil_kitten ,,, and you might not make it to sub space then ,,, with all the extra needed communication ,, to let each other know what does feel good etc
* SB`n`kierana smiles at janizz...
<Kilted_One> he very well might be Sarcastica, but that is not for us to say as we are not in possesion of all of the facts and all of the events that tool place at the time
<yummy> well DA, subspace the first time playing with someone is a bonus, not something i think most would expect
<MistressSarcastica> is badmouthing someone behind their back ever right, KO?
<oasis{Omy}> often times subbies feel foolish due to thier lack of experience... that and being new in a community makes it difficult... personally... haveing to ask for play is near a hard limit... i admre those with the courage
<lil_kitten> well DA, if it's a *very first* time, you can't really expect to let loose anyway. It takes a little more mental concentration than say, sex :)
<fiesty-afk> i am a sub that needs to be excercised regualarly to feel my best.....but as i do not have a regular partner...i just asked an acquaintace who was alone as well....i had no idea i was doing anything wrong
<Symmetre> you didn't do anything wrong at all, fiesty
<SB`n`kierana> you weren't doing anything wrong fiesty sis...geesh!
<Kilted_One> Sarcastica, of course it is not and neither is calling a person an "idiot" who is not hear to defend themselves either
<BernieRoehl> you were *not* doing anything wrong, fiesty
<MasterBaiter> If all you was ask, fiesty, you didn't do...ah, what they all said. :)
<lil_kitten> hmm, I think though - asking someone you don't know at all for public play can be interpreted as a pick up attempt...
<fiesty-afk> gee i wish you all had been there that nite
<kelgura> are we not a little off topic?
<BernieRoehl> Yes, kelgura -- quite right
<fiesty-afk> sorry
* BernieRoehl nudges the conversation back on topic
<SB`n`kierana> ifiesty...i wish i had the gumption to ask Someone to play...lol
<lil`tigress{TJ}> fiesty-afk.... asking someone to play.. is.. for me... something that I do.. with a Dom/me that I feel comfortable and safe with.. if not would not even think of playing with the person
<Omy_> There is nothing wrong with asking to play...I think first to say hi have soem genral chit chat and see if their ideals meet with yours and then usually the pieces fall into place
<BernieRoehl> So watching others play, and playing with friends/acquaintances are both good ways to start
<BernieRoehl> What else?
<DarkAngel^{rt}> was that boobies BernieRoehl ?
<EchoesII> *tosses a thought,,, should some be taught specifics,, such has that a "subby" does have t' "right" and "honour" to say No,,,, and have that decision respected**** *considered a first rope*
<DarkAngel^{rt}> sounds like a Workshop EchoesII
<janizz> i am looking forward to going to DAL, as many i have met through munches etc..but have never seen play
<BernieRoehl> boobies, DA?
<DarkAngel^{rt}> back onto the topic BernieRoehl
<DarkAngel^{rt}> geesh ,, you have a one tract mind
<Kilted_One> I have an idea that we are going to try at the next DAL and that is to have a contact board where ppl can put their names on it to try and make contact with others....i.e Wanting to play......wanting to be played with sort of thing
<lil_kitten> true EchoesII - I'm sure there are number of "yes Sir I Don't Know, anything you say Ma'am I Just Met" subs out there
<BernieRoehl> I think you'll find it... enlightening, janizz
<lil`tigress{TJ}> EchoesII Sir.. i am sorry .. but.. no a submissive.. always has the right to say no..
<Symmetre> Omy_ hit it right on the head though ... if you want to approach someone and ask them to play, it's a good idea to talk with them for a while before asking ... just to see if you're both on the same general wavelength
<yummy> Kilted_One, that sounds interesting
<BernieRoehl> Perhaps a bit overwhelming at first, but I'm sure you'll get used to it
<lil_kitten> hey, KO, that's a good idea :)
<DarkAngel^{rt}> it is always nice to see someone play before aproaching them as well
<EchoesII> lil
<DarkAngel^{rt}> I agree ,, Kilted_One has an excellent idea ,,
<janizz> will this board be up next Saturday?
<DarkAngel^{rt}> and certainly can take the nervousness out
<Omy_> The lifestyle is diverse...you don't want to end up playing with someone and then backing out cause you don't like 'x'.
<lil_kitten> It's certainly as much a part of learning the ropes, learning to negotiate "the Scene" as learning to negotiate a scene
<Kilted_One> we are hoping to have it up but pls forgive me if we cant as we do have a lot to get going being the first time in this location
* SB`n`kierana stops to take down notes
<DarkAngel^{rt}> as well ,, for those who are shy ,,, there will be 2 segregated (only one piece in the room) rooms for people to scene quietly ,, or noisily ,, and not get distracted by other scenes next to them
<lil`tigress{TJ}> that would for a lot.. DA... but what about the alone ones .. who even though are experienced in a lot of ways and just still shy.. how would they go about asking.. or sounding out someone.. they might be interested in playing with for more experience
<EchoesII> lil'tigress,, wasn't saying they didn't,, has oppsed to t' ones that are,,led somewhat thru different belief's that they must do what a dom askes,,,, *I do "not" believe in such,,,* just clearing t' table,, *S*
<SB`n`kierana> for me (kierana) now...i need to have permission to play with Others and that will only be after SB has met Them...
<DarkAngel^{rt}> I think Kilted_One's board will just help those who are single and want to play get connected easier lil`tigress{TJ} ,,
<Masterguny> Would you not worry about getting a preditor and a newbie in a room alone DA? or does the dm stay in the private rooms?
<MasterBaiter> The round-robin workshop, seen at larger events, can also work well. A bunch of "stations", each run by a Top skilled in a certain area, with everyone free to go from station to station for a set period of time. Very casual way to gain experience. Lighter intensity than one might want, of course.
* lil`tigress{TJ} smiles.. then that is very good DA... as should help a lot
<janizz> DarkAngel..that would work for me ~ss~
<DarkAngel^{rt}> they arent private Masterguny, and definetly will have DM's ,,, but only one scene in these rooms
<oasis{Omy}> thats a cool idea MasterBaiter
<Masterguny> THat sounds great
<DarkAngel^{rt}> kewl janizz ,, we have Kilted_One to thank for it
<dalian> I love that idea DA
<SB`n`kierana> where do these Round robin workshops happen, MasterBaiter Sir?
<janizz> i thank You KO
<janizz> Bernie, is Your name gonna be on it....*teasing smile*
<MasterBaiter> Saw an organized one at a Malicious Masquerade, but our family ends up doing a small version whenever we get together. :)
* lil_kitten coughs
<LdyAkilah> seminars of that type happen at larger events like BR
<Kilted_One> Guny these rooms are not that pvt. the doors are open to the public hallways and they will be patrolled on a regular basis by a DM
<Omy_> Hmmm round robbin...Hmmm I'll volunteer some time to that...I'll bring my best paddles :)
<DarkAngel^{rt}> we all came up with the single play rooms,,, but KO has added a very good idea with the connection board
<BernieRoehl> If it's not, janizz, feel free to track me down :-)
<MasterBaiter> At MM, the bottoms had "passports" that they could get stamped.
* Kilted_One nods his head in appreciation
* SB`n`kierana likes the idea of a round robin
<janizz> *laughing*..Bernie, You know me to see me, but i dont think You know who i am under this name
<DarkAngel^{rt}> I think that goes for me as well janizz ,,,,
<BernieRoehl> That's true, janizz -- I have no clue who you are, should be an interesting surprise :-)
<janizz> DarkAngel..yes, Wwe have met..... realtime...
* DarkAngel^{rt} <-- forgets his slaves name ,,, without her nick embroidered on his sleave
<BernieRoehl> I've been to weekend events where the opening event on the Friday night is a Dom/sub auction
* SB`n`kierana grins at DA ...lol i can believe it actually Sir
<DarkAngel^{rt}> cnat you just sign their butts with magic marker MasterBaiter ?
<BernieRoehl> The auction provides opportunities for people to meet play partners for that night's party
<oasis{Omy}> thats a very cool idea
<SB`n`kierana> that's a neat idea too Bernie Sir
<Kilted_One> damn DA and all this time I thought rt embroiderd on her shirt was because you couldnt remember what one was "right" <smiles>
<janizz> kind of like the WERX?
<DarkAngel^{rt}> a very good idea BernieRoehl ,,, perhaps we can encourage such a thing at future events around us
<`vixie> lol KO
<LORDWOLF> auction mm m
<BernieRoehl> Yes, they had one at the Werx a few months back
<DarkAngel^{rt}> lol
<janizz> yeah..i was there......
<Omy_> Laughing 0ut Loud KO
<SB`n`kierana> lol LordWolf Sir
* DarkAngel^{rt} grumbles ,,,, I was outbid too ,,, I didnt think she was worth more the 45 cents Canadian Tire Money ,,,
<SB`n`kierana> roflmao
<BernieRoehl> At Black Rose, sarah and I got auctioned off to a "cartel" -- half a dozen people who wanted to be topped, or to top sarah. Fortunately, we got a good friend of ours who was staying with us to help out, but even so it was exhausting!
<LORDWOLF> checks pocket i have a tonnie
<SB`n`kierana> have to find a good charity that the auction money can go to...but i think it would be a riot to throw an auction event...:)
<DarkAngel^{rt}> kewl BernieRoehl ,, I will keep in mind the idea of selling you both off in the future to raise funds ,,,
<BernieRoehl> So far we've talked mostly about ways for newbies to find partners to explore with casually, without the added pressure of starting a relationship with them
* BernieRoehl chuckles at DA
<BernieRoehl> What other things can new people do to "learn the ropes", so to speak?
<janizz> thinks..im not a newbie...but just too darn shy
<lil_kitten> what about learning to dispell all of the "cybermyths" of BDSM?
<DarkAngel^{rt}> true BernieRoehl ,, and many are not comfortable with playing outside a relationship,,,, so what are we to do ?
<concubinary> good point lil kitten
<SB`n`kierana> start a dating service....
<Omy_> Well we could makeup name tags for Doms...Pic of favorite toy with the words ..I share my toys with others
<lil_kitten> it's like a newbie disease if they're making a online -> r/l transition
<janizz> thinking...i dont want a relationship per se....just Someone who every now and then can take me..and Him to the place we want to go
<janizz> i thank Yyou for the discussion, and look forward to Saturday
<janizz> ~enjoy~
* SB`n`kierana smiles
<DarkAngel^{rt}> me too janizz
<fiesty-afk> see you there janizz
<BernieRoehl> See you, janizz
* BernieRoehl is still curious about who janizz is, but guesses he'll find out on Saturday :-)
<`vixie> what's happening Saturday? *looks puzzled*
<SB`n`kierana> DAL is next saturday vixie
<LORDWOLF> good idea
<BernieRoehl> DAL -- Dark Angel's Lair
<`vixie> oh
<DarkAngel^{rt}> she was the one to the left BernieRoehl ,,,, below fiesty-afk and above Johncin
<`vixie> i didn't know it was on a Sat this time!
<BernieRoehl> Big play party in London, in a brand-new space
* mist{LW} grins
<mist{LW}> DA may i msg briefly please?
<SB`n`kierana> my first public party was DAL last october...*big smiles*
* DarkAngel^{rt} <-- on phone ,, brb
* mist{LW} waits
<BernieRoehl> Thanks, DA :-)
* Kilted_One taps Bernie's shoulder and says look at her addy it is Pamela from TO
<fiesty-afk> mine too SB`n`kierana
* BernieRoehl nods at KO -- did that, doesn't ring any bells
<Omy_> With the new venue, could we not opena section an hour early to have mini-seminars?
<SB`n`kierana> great idea Omy Sir...
<Kilted_One> we have discussed that but for this first one we will have enough to d
<Kilted_One> o
<SB`n`kierana> have a different subject for each DAL event...:)
<Omy_> I agree KO...I was refering to the topic of learning the ropes...so new people could get some training
<BernieRoehl> Not a bad idea, Omy_, but there won't be time to organize it for this one. Maybe for the future -- we've already been talking about it
<mist{LW}> BernieRoehl, may i pm re adding an email to the EHBC list please :}
* ^^^^zaR^^^^ is still puzzled about the asking someone to play and being told it was inapropriate . My next question was, was it the asking or how /when the request was made?
<Omy_> I understand that..I should of added "for future events"
<BernieRoehl> Sure, mist, or email me if you like
<fiesty-afk> i was at a play party
<SB`n`kierana> having a mini seminar would also introduce some new things to ppl who might not have experienced them before
<fiesty-afk> the gentleman was someone i knew for some time
<fiesty-afk> and i asked politely.....and he agreed
<Symmetre> PEP does that in the States ... they have a mini seminar prior to their play night
<fiesty-afk> it was after the fact....that i was informend it was very uncouth to ask someone to play
<fiesty-afk> and it made me feel like a total loser
<BernieRoehl> Ignore them, fiesty. It's just their opinion.
<Omy_> Well whoever told you that has a very different idea about it that I do fiesty-afk. I see it as a compliment
* ^^^^zaR^^^^ thinks the responses from the other party may have been either inacurate or sour grapes,, cause they didnt have the nerve to ask themselves? (just a quess,,^^^LS and I are both approachable about requests, we may decline for other reasons, but,,no harm in asking!)
<lil_kitten> well, fiesty-afk - perhaps you just asked the wrong person, or in the wrong setting or in the wrong way... it's not the end of the world...
* Kilted_One agrees with Bernie, there is nothing wrong with either party asking it is how it is done that is important
<fiesty-afk> well...you haven't seen me Omy Sir.....you might change your tune....
<^^^^zaR^^^^> nod nod,, interupting a scene with a HEY wanna do me next? might have been out of line
<fiesty-afk> and your direction......
<BernieRoehl> I mean, if you borrowed the DJ's microphone and did it as a public announcement, I can see someone objecting :-)
<fiesty-afk> as in .......run the other way
<fiesty-afk> lol
<fiesty-afk> hey might as well be killed for a wolf as a lamb Sir
<lil_kitten> wait, was it someone else who told you it wasn't okay to ask?
<Omy_> Well I do like to play with people that have a positive attitude fiesty-afk :)
<fiesty-afk> yes.....and when i appologized to him..he agreed that i was not right to do so
* Symmetre imagines fiesty walking up followed by a marching band
<fiesty-afk> in my cheerleading uniform
<fiesty-afk> give me a W
<Symmetre> lol
<fiesty-afk> give me an H
<fiesty-afk> give me an I
<fiesty-afk> give me a P
<fiesty-afk> give me a WHIP
<^^^^zaR^^^^> ;)
<SB`n`kierana> lololol
* BernieRoehl smiles
* ^^^^zaR^^^^ gives you an A for initiative
* BernieRoehl likes the cheerleader uniform idea :-)
<Symmetre> fiesty ... could it be you weren't clear enough? lmao
<Omy_> How about a P a d d l e ?
<oasis[Omy]> the beauty is in the submission.. its gift offered a special one.. i adore watching a sub taken to that special place... looks mean nothing when the walls are down... one sees the truth benath
<SB`n`kierana> or those of us too shy can always carry a sign around indicating our NEED to play
<BernieRoehl> Well, we have about five minutes left in the discussion. Anyone else have anything to add, on the topic of learning the ropes and gaining experience?
<fiesty-afk> someone told me this evening.....that when i submit....i glow and am very beautiful
<fiesty-afk> so...there are some nice people i meet as well
<oasis[Omy]> some of us hide our shyness very well :)
<lil_kitten> geez...
<Omy_> You mean like writing Need Paddle...apply at the rear kierana?
<SB`n`kierana> rofl...something like that Omy Sir...*looks at SB with a grin*
<BernieRoehl> Well, I'm going to close the discussion log. Thanks to everyone for participating!
* Symmetre ponders the sign thing
<SB`n`kierana> thank You Bernie Sir...:)
<fiesty-afk> thank you Sir