March 12 2000 EhBC Online Discussion
<BernieRoehl> Well, it's time for the discussion
* SirLion^w smiles and draws his slave close, To Me whispurrr
<bottoms_up{RD}> what IS the discussion?
<`TimberWolf> hi whispurr
* SirLion^w smiles gently
<BernieRoehl> I've set an automatic message for the channel, which reads as follows...
<BernieRoehl> Welcome to our regular Sunday night discussion. Please refrain from sending "hi" and "bye" messages until after 10 pm. Also note that the discussion is being logged. If you wish to say something, but remain anonymous, you should change your nick. We recommend using raptor.ab.ca.dal.net as your server, to minimize lag. Tonight's discussion topic is "Building a Broader D/s Community". The moderator tonight is BernieRoehl. Enjoy the discussion!
<BernieRoehl> So, some background about the topic...
<BernieRoehl> In the past few years, we've seen a real D/s "community" develop in Southwestern Ontario. However, there are still a lot of people out there who are relatively isolated, and who don't come to munch or other events. The question is, how to we broaden the base of our community in order to include those who are currently excluded? And more generally, how do we grow our community?
<BernieRoehl> Anyone have any initial thoughts?
<`TimberWolf> well
<`TimberWolf> I think you first have to decide why they are excluded
<SirLion^w> And if they want to be
<BernieRoehl> Good point, TW.
<`TimberWolf> by their choice or circunstance
* SirLion^w nods
<A-10> It still a secretive thing
<`TimberWolf> exactly Sirloin
<SirLion^w> Yes, a personal private thing
<whispurr{SL}> some are just more comfortable in their privacy
<BernieRoehl> True enough. And for some people, that's just fine.
<SirLion^w> This is the perfect venue for ppl like that, irc
<BernieRoehl> But my sense (in talking to people who come out to events for the first time) is that there are a lot of people who are right on the edge of coming out, but can't for whatever reason.
<bottoms_up{RD}> why dont we work through why they are isolated... to see ways to get them involved in the large scale community?
* BernieRoehl agrees with SirLion, that IRC is a good intermediate step
<`TimberWolf> once again then we fall back to why?
<A-10> It took me a while to come to the brunches. It a scary thing for people to get to know who you are
<`vixie> very true A-10
* BernieRoehl agrees with A-10
<whispurr{SL}> you all sound like very friendly and welcoming folks..i think to play upon that friendliness is the most important...
<SirLion^w> Well, I've seen many ppl who are experience snobs too. I've been involved for 200 hundred years and EYE know stuff
* SirLion^w smiles
<`vixie> i think stressing how 'public' the munches/brunches are would be a definite boon to those who are teetering on the edge of attending
<`TimberWolf> lol Loin:)
<BernieRoehl> vixie, you've just recently started coming out to munches. What were the biggest hurdles you had to overcome?
<`TimberWolf> opps LION:)
* SirLion^w smiles
<`vixie> the fear of running into someone who knew me, and would tell my parents, lol
<bottoms_up{RD}> what about having newbie nights or people more actively agreeing to meet newbies before the munches?
<whispurr{SL}> perhaps to always invite new people that come to the channel and especially when you feel they are a good fit...
<BernieRoehl> Interesting idea, bottoms
<SirLion^w> Little trick Sir, type 2 letters and then hit Tab, let mirc do it for you
<`vixie> i like that idea botts
<dalian> for me...it was just going somewhere alone...and not knowing anyone
<Galadan> some people don't cross the line and come out because they may feel they can't..if they are in relationships already (either married or not)
<`TimberWolf> :)
<`vixie> that was the other hurdle i had dalian, i knew people from online, but didn't know if i'd recognize them rl
<dalian> usually when you are alone...walking into a group centers you out immediately
<BernieRoehl> I know in some places they have people who offer to meet newbies before the event, and walk in with them.
* bottoms_up{RD} loves to meet newbies ;)
<Galadan> you know dalian, vixie...I thought I'd have that problem also, but when I went..after getting INTO the place, it didn't turn out to be a problem
<whispurr{SL}> some folks feel intimidated by others who have have more experience
<dalian> ohi found that too...there were quite a few friendly faces that made me feel very welcome
<SirLion^w> I suspect the stigma of such a radical sexual perviness, and the risk of being caught when livelihoods rely on respectable, things like this stay many hands
<toddy{T}> getting out that first time IS the hardest unless you make a few friends
<whispurr{SL}> i think too its a bit different for the Dominants...
<A-10> or people who are into it in a bigger way
<`TimberWolf> why is that whispurr?
<`vixie> another thing is that most newbies don't fully understand how laid back the brunches are....they read more into them then what happens
<bottoms_up{RD}> if people are afraid of being found out and want to keep it private.. my belief is there isnt much we can do to get them 'in' the community. i would focus on meeting newbies and helping some people organize more groups/munches in isolated areas
<whispurr{SL}> well just for the personality Sir..Dominants are more outgoing..in control, etc..where submissives for the most part are more shy
* bottoms_up{RD} coughs and smiles at whisper
<`TimberWolf> :)
<Sweetone{LT}> why do you say that whispurr?
<dalian> there is also the intimidation factor which is unfortunately present...a newbie may be ignored simply from lack of experience or considered to have nothing to offer
<Galadan> good thing you said "for the most part" whispurr{SL}
<toddy{T}> why would a new person need to be dom or sub upon coming out? it takes a few outings to figure yourself out :)
<`TimberWolf> you think so toddy??????
<SirLion^w> Makes sense that someone who is known for not saying No, might be a tad careful about surrounding them selves with ppl of intimitating, or forceful ways
<BernieRoehl> I've met some people who are drawn to the idea of power exchange, but honestly don't know which side they're on. So yes, toddy has a point -- some people are just trying to figure it out.
* bottoms_up{RD} is wondering if we can help some 'organized people' people to start new groups in the isolated areas... like kingston, sudbury or whatever
<whispurr{SL}> not to say that Dominants are not shy as well Sir..but i truly feel that most submissives are more insecure with new places with new people...
<toddy{T}> newbies need to be informed, yet with everyone either dom or sub they mught feel they need to "belong". they need to feel comfortable to learn what our dom or subness is about.
<`TimberWolf> kingston has or atleast had a substatial comminity with events
<toddy{T}> Dominants are certainly outgoing <s>
<BernieRoehl> People have tried to get groups going in those areas, bottoms. Part of the problem is that the population density is so low that there just aren't enough kinky people in easy driving distance to reach "critical mass"
<Sweetone{LT}> a dom intimidating and forceful? perhaps if that is how people view power exchange the "community" won't grow
<`TimberWolf> good point sweet
<whispurr{SL}> if the door is known to be opened, those interested will always come..perhaps to get the word out that new are always welcomed....
* bottoms_up{RD} doesnt understand this reasoning that you need a big group.. having 3 to 5 people meet regularly for a munch is still connection to me
<SirLion^w> Well, from the perspective of a submissive who is new?
* BernieRoehl agrees with bottoms
* bottoms_up{RD} thinks the organizor should show up month to month and over a year or so, it may grow slowly.. dont give up cause after 2 months no one is there
<`TimberWolf> but bye definition broader mean larger.....
<toddy{T}> actually i know many who have met in small groups at start them come to big munches later.
* SirLion^w ponders the Jehovah's Witness method of recruiting
* SirLion^w grins
<BernieRoehl> And even our existing munches vary in attendance. In Waterloo, we've ranged from a dozen to five dozen, for example.
<Galadan> that way could be good toddy
* BernieRoehl chuckles
* whispurr{SL} giggles
<`vixie> to some starting in a small group can be more intimidating...there are less people, and they may feel singled out...
<`TimberWolf> lol
<BernieRoehl> Interesting idea, SirLion! :-)
<SirLion^w> Knock knock...Hi...WAnna buy a pamphlet?
* SirLion^w grins
<Galadan> I know I felt a bit of an "overload" form meeting so many people at once
<bottoms_up{RD}> i think the group has to be avail consistently... not given up on too quick or people wont bother going cause they have no idea if it will be there
<A-10> get a broken nose if you knock on to many door like the J.W's
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<BernieRoehl> Yes, that's the way all the existing munch groups have worked. Start out small, but meet consistently.
<`TimberWolf> but i would volunterr to canvas that way
<toddy{T}> sometimes at munches there are just too many discussions going on to keep up
* SirLion^w nods
<BernieRoehl> So, what can we do to make it easier for newbies attending their first munches?
<toddy{T}> perhaps ambassadors are needed?
<bottoms_up{RD}> now to get a person willing to put themselves out to start and continue a group *Grin*.. thats the hard part ;)
<toddy{T}> pre munch workshop?
<bottoms_up{RD}> ohh nice toddy ;)
<SirLion^w> Consistency, casual, and guaranteed discretion and respect, then its a matter of stayingpower and getting the word out
<`TimberWolf> have a bring a newbie party/munch
<bottoms_up{RD}> meeting them before hand seems to really make the newbies feel better, i have found
<`vixie> how about having a time before the main group shows up for just newbies? with a couple of people who are more frequent brunch-goers to greet them?
<toddy{T}> similar to people having dinner before a fet nite :)
<BernieRoehl> Can you expand on that "ambassadors" idea, toddy
<BernieRoehl> ?
<bottoms_up{RD}> am i hanging again? *sigh*
* SirLion^w hopes
<toddy{T}> well.. some folks are very congenial and knowledgable. perhaps they'd offer to meet with small groups of newcomers and answer questions, make them more comfortable
* SirLion^w grins
* BernieRoehl sees how these idea can be combined
<BernieRoehl> I'm certainly willing to do that, toddy
<`vixie> that's a nice idea toddy
<BernieRoehl> And I guess I'd qualify as "congenial and knowledgable" :-)
<bottoms_up{RD}> me too.. i love to meet people.. but i am not that knowledgeable so they will have to suffer ;)
<Galadan> I'd say you qualify for that Bernie...seem to anyway
* BernieRoehl smiles
* dalian smiles and agrees
<Kilted_One> we have offered to meet newbies "before" the munch before so that they have someone to walk in with
<toddy{T}> i know from watching that some folks are extrovert and agressive in their conversation methods. it can startle newcomers, especially timid subs. But everyone watching what they say would make a gathering boring.
<`TimberWolf> any sucess KO?
<Kilted_One> yes in every case the individuals have said that they felt a lot less of an "attraction"
<bottoms_up{RD}> i know one on one meeting beforehand is the least stressful, in my eyes
<`TimberWolf> hmmmmm why did the habit fall into disuse?
<Kirspin> It takes new people a lot of "guts" to attend there first Munch on there own too
<toddy{T}> i remember how bad my nerves were the first time.. i was so glad to meet a familiar face
<Kilted_One> it is still being used at Steefet `TimberWolf and I'm sure if someone wanted to at EHbc
<`TimberWolf> I think so of it has to do with the size of the establishment as well
<A-10> and the second and the third and I still do
<`TimberWolf> I hate meeting in dark dank lil corners
<bottoms_up{RD}> hehe TW
<`TimberWolf> hmmmmmmmm
<SirLion^w> Perhpas arrange a coffe shop instead?
<`TimberWolf> thanks KO
* bottoms_up{RD} uses coffee shops to meet in
* Kilted_One nods to `TimberWolf
<BernieRoehl> It's definitely worth doing, KO
<`TimberWolf> or atleast a place that sit more than 16
<toddy{T}> coffee shops are good for small meetings.. and for discussing a scene beforehand
<`TimberWolf> so you are not stacked one on top of the other
<bottoms_up{RD}> we talking about one on one meetings... or a newbies meeting for groups? *confused look*
<`TimberWolf> personally cal and I attended the Dodger a few weeks back
<Kilted_One> yes we have arranged for fem submissives to meet newbies as well at a coffee shop outwith the munch so that they have met someone before the munch as well
<SirLion^w> I'd look for a dance studio, or a club that rents, sell tickets to offset costs
<`TimberWolf> we walked in and barely found room to stand let alone sit and converse
<toddy{T}> a group less than 8 is a manageable one
<`TimberWolf> and then as people got up to say hello to us...no one could move
<toddy{T}> another option might be "icebreaker" activities
<toddy{T}> how about bdsm jeopardy?
<BernieRoehl> What sort of activities, toddy?
<BernieRoehl> You mean like games?
<toddy{T}> yes
<SirLion^w> heheh, I'll take sexual perversion for 200 Alex
* SirLion^w grins
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<A-10> better not be the rodio
<toddy{T}> something that might evoke discussion and allow silent folk to learn and even join in
* bottoms_up{RD} loves when people where name tags... i know some people hate it
<`TimberWolf> I'll take Bottom's frtishes for 1000
<bottoms_up{RD}> rofl
<`TimberWolf> won't get it right just wANT THE F***ING ANSWERS
<`TimberWolf> HEHEHHE
<`vixie> lol TW
* dalian slips away to her bed for the night ;)
<toddy{T}> name tags with a name and a nick or handle is best.. it bridges the online and real personalities
* bottoms_up{RD} chuckles
* BernieRoehl nods
<BernieRoehl> We use name tags at our munches. They're optional, so people who aren't into them don't have to wear them.
<A-10> not in a public place
* `abi thinks we should wear other people's nametags
<toddy{T}> even now i think of some folk by their nick not their name
<bottoms_up{RD}> me too toddy
<lady`hawke> evening all :}
<toddy{T}> not full names.. but even first ones so conversation can occur
<Kirspin> Great idea abi!
* Galadan chuckles picturing Duke wearing a name tag that says "abi"
<`TimberWolf> oh ya scare the hell out of everyone if i went in as callay{TW}
<bottoms_up{RD}> lol
<BernieRoehl> So it sounds like we have some good ideas for making it easier for newbies to come to their first munches.
<BernieRoehl> The next question is "how do we make people aware we're here?"
<A-10> the other problem is getting them to come back too
<BernieRoehl> SirLion mentioned "getting the word out" earlier, and that's a large part of it
<`vixie> kinda hard to put an ad in the paper isn't it Bernie?
<`TimberWolf> feed them well...in a pleasant clean roomy place they will come back
<bottoms_up{RD}> maybe have a few people sorta 'assigned' at munches to befriend new faces also ;)
<Kirspin> Leaflet other Munches
<BernieRoehl> Well... is it? It's something we've talked about from time to time
<OT> Lwhy not `vixie ??
<Kilted_One> actually it is very easy vixie...but I dont think that is what you meant ;)
<`vixie> what would you say?
<SirLion^w> Internet news groups and listservers
<`TimberWolf> lol
<`vixie> it's not what i meant KO...how would you word it, how would you know if it was getting to the right people.... that kinda stuff
<toddy{T}> ads.. do sex stores have bulletin boards? would owners put up a poster about the group?
<SirLion^w> Emails too, to those who subscribe
<whispurr{SL}> how about just a real frindly smile and welcome when new ones come into the channel from the area..soft smile
<`TimberWolf> Bernie..you attend every Munch under the Sun..just drop a few pamphlets off at each
<bottoms_up{RD}> if you advertise in the local papers, are you worried about creeps coming?
<whispurr{SL}> although that may happen now..nod
<toddy{T}> posting notices at "suppliers" of our lifestyle would probably be quite effective
<BernieRoehl> Could do that, TW. I'm just not sure how other munch organizers would feel about that.
<toddy{T}> posting in the papers might draw unwanted attention from many different sides
<bottoms_up{RD}> ohh good idea toddy ;)
* `vixie nods
<SirLion^w> The best wording to avoid getting run out on a rail would be something with Alternate ligfestyles Discussions Groups
<A-10> the only suppliers I know of are in TO and have there own groups
<`TimberWolf> well it happened at the Dodger...last night's event was posted there
<BernieRoehl> What about ads in "alternative" papers?
<`TimberWolf> no one seemed to mind
<`vixie> there are a lot of little 'sex shops' in smaller towns that would probably put fliers up about bdsm events if asked
<toddy{T}> lingerie stores, video stores.. etc.
<OT> yes good idea BernieRoehl
<Galadan> that could work Bernie
<toddy{T}> right! alternative papers too
<SirLion^w> Some mention of Sexual power exchange , so it doesn't offend the blue haired
* SirLion^w smiles
<bottoms_up{RD}> i would feel an ad in an alternative paper would be safe ;)
<whispurr{SL}> do you guys let americans come? grin
<Sweetone{LT}> i've missed the first part of the discussion...why are we trying so hard to increase numbers?
<BernieRoehl> So ads in alternative papers, flyers in D/s suppliers and at munches... good ideas
<`TimberWolf> nope but they can breath hard
<SirLion^w> If they bed and so it properly
<`TimberWolf> :))))
<Kilted_One> only if they get too excited whispurr{SL}
<SirLion^w> bed and do
<BernieRoehl> Absolutely, whispurr! And bring your big American dollars!
* SirLion^w grins
* whispurr{SL} giggles
* whispurr{SL} blinks
<SirLion^w> hehehehehe
* whispurr{SL} droops
<SirLion^w> You know I,let you cum every month whether you deserve it or not scamp
* SirLion^w smiles
* `TimberWolf brings a yank to every event I attend:)
* botts1 growls
<whispurr{SL}> knew i likes You TimberWolf Sir
<whispurr{SL}> er thank You Master
<whispurr{SL}> liked..sigh
<`TimberWolf> same one each time mind ya whispurr:)
* whispurr{SL} smiles and nods
<whispurr{SL}> how many usually show up for the munches?
* botts1 waves goodnight and runs.. RD deserves a massage for his tired muscles from last night *perv grin* .. whoosh i am gone
<`abi> but do you let her come TW?
<BernieRoehl> It varies a lot, whispurr
<`TimberWolf> I did the other night
* whispurr{SL} nods
<BernieRoehl> The KW, London and Hamilton munches draw anywhere from 12 to 50 or so people
<`TimberWolf> the only problem with specialty papers is that is where predators go to find victims
<whispurr{SL}> does everyone injoy them for the most part?
<BernieRoehl> Yup -- people definitely seem to have a good time. They keep coming back, anyway! :-)
<`TimberWolf> and as a group....that embraces safety.......
* whispurr{SL} smiles softly...
<whispurr{SL}> mum used to say, when something isnt broke it doesnt need fixin..smile
<BernieRoehl> So if we look at doing ads, fliers, that sort of thing... how would we describe ourselves?
<toddy{T}> damn double edged subjects :)
<`TimberWolf> I prefer a more hands on..bring a friend approach
<`TimberWolf> that way our young single subbies atleast know someone endoreses a person at some level
<BernieRoehl> I agree, TW. But that still assumes there's some initial contact between the prospective newbie and someone already in the group
<`TimberWolf> events open to the public..or advertised to general pubic concern me for safety reasons
<whispurr{SL}> warm and friendly alternative lifestyle folks hoping you join us for an evening of sharing and fun..if your a liberal sexually minded person who enjoys domination and submissive, please join us
<Sweetone{LT}> why do you include the reference to sex?
<`TimberWolf> hmm i don't fit in..I am a conservative sexually minded person:)
<BernieRoehl> Pretty good wording, whispurr
<toddy{T}> mentioning sex isn't good
<`TimberWolf> so grandma doesn't think it is a knew tea group opening up
<whispurr{SL}> well...i did think the lifestyle is very sexual...
<whispurr{SL}> thank You Sir
<toddy{T}> more intellectual and alternative lifestyles
<whispurr{SL}> intellectual scares people
<SirLion^w> Enjoys power exchange is perhaps less intimidating
<whispurr{SL}> they feel they must prove themselves then
<OT> How about "willing to let go control"
<whispurr{SL}> Master always tells me He is just here for the sex
<whispurr{SL}> did i get that wrong? grin
<`TimberWolf> or as our yanks do it..just call them pep's then that answers most questions
* SirLion^w grins
<whispurr{SL}> perhaps uninhibited?
<SirLion^w> We aim to displease?
* SirLion^w grins
<`TimberWolf> lol
<SirLion^w> Always glad to help a lady to distress?
* SirLion^w grins
* Kilted_One or out of dedress
<`TimberWolf> 1 billion served?????
<BernieRoehl> Or a help a lady out of dis dress :-)
<SirLion^w> Another disatisfied customer?
<`TimberWolf> or is that just for KO's cross?
* SirLion^w grins
<BernieRoehl> So, another question... who is it that we're not reaching currently?
<whispurr{SL}> one of the most beautiful things i have realized in this lifestyle is that there are kindred souls here..people are generally warm and caring..honestly..when others see that, it is surely a sign of a place to want to be...
* `vixie grabs shy and shares her pillow with her
* shy`angel snuggles in
* BernieRoehl nods and agrees with whispurr
<SirLion^w> I think they find you if they need to
<BernieRoehl> Are we reaching out equally to Doms and subs, males and females, gay and straight?
<whispurr{SL}> so build it and "They will come" smile
<SirLion^w> No matter who, they feel the urge and search
<`TimberWolf> hmm what about concerning ourselves less with those we don't reach and more with satisfying those we do...and depend on nword of mouth?
<SirLion^w> Agreed `TimberWolf
<`TimberWolf> just a thought
<toddy{T}> there's and internal and external need here
<`TimberWolf> it is how restaurants work
<toddy{T}> sort like a church and missionaries
<`TimberWolf> is there an external need here?
<`TimberWolf> really
<`TimberWolf> or do we just assume bigger is better?
<`TimberWolf> more people makes it more sucessful?
<BernieRoehl> Not necessarily, TW
<toddy{T}> i guess do have an obligation to be a beacon in the dark to others or build a community for ourselves.
<BernieRoehl> I've had a *lot* of fun at small, quiet gatherings
<`TimberWolf> then why this disscussion Bernie
<`TimberWolf> just for curiosity sake?
<BernieRoehl> It's not so much about getting people out, it's more about making sure that we're not excluding anyone
<Sweetone{LT}> is that our responsibility Bernie?
<BernieRoehl> Good question, Sweetone
<whispurr{SL}> bigger usually means more varied ideas..that can be good or not so good...
<`TimberWolf> firstly exclusion is part of our community... we do it at most play parties
<BernieRoehl> I think the onus is on people to come to us, rather than the other way around. But to me, anything we can do to make it easier for them is probably worth doing.
<Sweetone{LT}> why is it a goal to increase the "community"?
<BernieRoehl> If our goal is to build a broad-based, inclusive community of kinkyfolk, then lowering the barriers will help.
<`TimberWolf> and the last time we checked no one is refused entrance to a munch or brunch
<Kirspin> Then we go back to how we attrack new people to our Munches
<SirLion^w> I'm all for seeing safe methods, education, there's all manner of dangerous suppositions going on there
<`TimberWolf> i agree SirLion^w
<shy`angel> i dont think increase is the right word... i prefer more like awaken... just a thought...
<`TimberWolf> hey that tabby thing works:)
* SirLion^w smiles
* SirLion^w nods
<`TimberWolf> word of mouth doesn't lead to that shy?
<Kirspin> Maybe if we had more private like areas for Munches, things could be demomstrated
<toddy{T}> alternatively, by building a strong community for ourselves we might generate publicity that will attract others on its own merit
<shy`angel> depends... sometimes one ends up alienating another .. when the subject becomes too risqué Sir
<SirLion^w> The thing here? We ARE in a special area here, and its not wise to actively recruit...but it is a good idea, to give those `so inclined' a safe place to be who they are
<whispurr{SL}> the more friendly and the more warm and caring and more welcoming..well i just think that the word of that gets out
<`TimberWolf> hmm intersting concept shy:)
<alicebabe> don't you think that most of the real life community is also informed of places via the Net?
<Sweetone{LT}> why is it important to get these people out to munches??
<shy`angel> so that they realize they arent alone in their wants and needs... that they are normal ppl... not sexual deviates? perhaps Sweetone{LT}?
<Sweetone{LT}> there are many i am sure that prefer the private of their own homes...why do they have to come out to munches?
* canplay agrees with shy
<whispurr{SL}> agreed Sweetone...
<SirLion^w> I suggest it's better to be acessible, but not too inviting, so we don't attract the casual thrill sekers
<alicebabe> they don't have to go anywhere to practice sex their way (sounds like a math series)
<Sweetone{LT}> you are assuming that all use it for sex
<toddy{T}> its nice to know you're not alone in your kink
<`TimberWolf> lol no one is alone in their kin
<`TimberWolf> no matter how perverted..someone always thought of it first:)
<SirLion^w> In today's society, those who aren't full and equal or fighting for it, are thought to be real weird
<whispurr{SL}> tis also a good place to meet others when looking for a Master or a submissive..
* `vixie hugs shy, and slips out the door, wishing g'nite to A/all
<shy`angel> and what about learning something new ... i dont think i'd hand some melted wax to hubby and say .. here... try this ... i would prefer he got to see and learn first... it isnt something i'd like to try ... out of the blue if You understand
* shy`angel blows a kiss to vix
<toddy{T}> you just don't know until you come out of your bedroom to see if anyone else came out of their bedroom <s>
<`TimberWolf> o then have singles nights if pairing is what you seek
<`TimberWolf> I did..I loved it...my sub at the time was a lil surprised:)
<whispurr{SL}> is this not a sexual medium though?..would the lifestyle not attrack sexual people?
<`TimberWolf> but hell that builds character:)
<whispurr{SL}> attract
<alicebabe> what doesn't attract sexual people?
<SirLion^w> hehehehehe
* SirLion^w nods
* whispurr{SL} grins and nods to alice
<BernieRoehl> Well, we're coming into the home stretch. Five minutes left in the "formal" part of the discussion.
<`TimberWolf> lol now there is a fruedian slip if i ever saw one
* alicebabe puts on her formal
<whispurr{SL}> um.....the priesthood sis?
<BernieRoehl> Anyone have anything they'd like to add before we close the log?
* whispurr{SL} giggles
<alicebabe> even this done doubts the "priesthood"
<toddy{T}> humans are social and sexual creatures.. we just need to accept that and get on with our playtimes
<whispurr{SL}> hehe
<toddy{T}> :P
<SirLion^w> I think it important not to be seen trying to lure the innocent
* whispurr{SL} nods
<SirLion^w> Better to welcome the interested
<`TimberWolf> ya that is my Job:))))))))
* SirLion^w smiles
<SirLion^w> So accessibilty first, then educatrion, responsibilty next
* BernieRoehl nods
<BernieRoehl> Anyone else?
<`TimberWolf> wrong order for my liking
<`TimberWolf> reverse make me happier
* toddy{T} hands out "Trainee" nametags at the door for newbies
<SirLion^w> Either or works
* SirLion^w smiles
* SirLion^w scribbles fresh meat on their tags
* SirLion^w grins
* lady`hawke grabs a Trainee tag
<shy`angel> lol
<whispurr{SL}> i have a problem with the word newbie
<toddy{T}> not dom, not sub... trainiee :)
<Sweetone{LT}> trainee and fresh meat?? you want people to take you seriously?
<whispurr{SL}> everyone is a newbie
<BernieRoehl> Well, by my watch it's just now turning 9 pm.
<SirLion^w> Too close to nudey , scamp?
* SirLion^w grins
<`TimberWolf> how about fns then?
<`TimberWolf> or fnd?
<BernieRoehl> Please feel free to keep chatting, but I'm going to close the log.
<BernieRoehl> Thanks to everyone who participated!
<Kirspin> Bernie, I need to chat if you have a min.?
<SirLion^w> How about Guest?
<BernieRoehl> Sure, Kirspin
<whispurr{SL}> anyone who doesnt say they learn everyday is not being honest i feel
<toddy{T}> that works
<`TimberWolf> or Guest 1234562
<Galadan> um..Bernie...better check yer watch then...mine says 10
<shy`angel> hi my name is?
<shy`angel> sounds tacky
<Sweetone{LT}> thank you Bernie :))
<BernieRoehl> Oops... yes, 10 pm. :-)
<toddy{T}> how about distingushed or welcomed guest
<Kilted_One> ty Bernie for the job well done too
<whispurr{SL}> hehe how bout hi im just as dumb as you
<BernieRoehl> My pleasure!
* SirLion^w grins
<`TimberWolf> thanks Bernie..for all your efforts.here and elsewhere......
<SirLion^w> Ceptin I ain't, scamp/l
<whispurr{SL}> thank You Bernie Sir..smile
<`TimberWolf> you set a fine example
* SirLion^w laughs
* BernieRoehl smiles
<BernieRoehl> Thanks, TW
<toddy{T}> thanks Bernie
<SirLion^w> Thank you BernieRoehl
* SirLion^w smiles
* SirLion^w nods
<toddy{T}> hiya tv
<BernieRoehl> I'm going to head offline for a bit to get the log processed and uploaded.
<BernieRoehl> See you all later, and thanks again!
* SirLion^w nods
<`TimberWolf> night bernie
<SirLion^w> Night